Happy Constitution Day

Today marks the anniversary of one of the most propitious days in the history of this country. On this day in 1787, the representatives at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia signed the Constitution. It was ratified by the states and went into effect on March 4, 1789.

You remember the Constitution don’t you?

That’s the document that says the president “shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed …” Not waive, delay or ignore parts of laws the president doesn’t like, such as immigration laws, which the Constitution says: “The Congress shall have Power To … establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization …”

The Constitution also says, “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives …”

But when it came to ObamaCare, which is replete with a panoply of revenue generating taxes to offset its expenses, the Senate grabbed an unrelated bill that had passed the House, cut the existing language and substituted the ObamaCare verbiage. The bill number was the only thing that originated in the House.

Yes, it’s those four-handwritten pages that give Congress the power “To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States …” Not to force people to engage in commerce by buying health insurance or pay a fine or a tax for not doing so.

Arguably, Congress cannot abrogate that power by handing the president the power to impose tariffs and declare emergencies.

But when Congress passed the Trade Expansion Act it allowed the president to restrict imports in the name of national security. That was the excuse President Trump used when he imposed a 25 percent tariff on steel, even the military requirements for steel represent only 3 percent of the commodity’s domestic production.

That Commerce Clause also has been stretched to prohibit a farmer from growing grain to feed his own cattle because that affected demand for grain on the interstate market. The same rationale allows Congress to set minimum wages for jobs that have nothing to do with interstate commerce.

It also gave Congress the power to “declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water.” Some wars get declared, while others are just military exercises.

But Trump bombed Syria without even informing Congress, and President Biden continues send military equipment to Ukraine.

The instrument also says the “President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.” Not decide for himself when the Senate is in session. At least the judiciary slapped Obama’s wrist on that one.

During ratification the Founders added the Bill of Rights, including the First Amendment that says Congress “shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof …” That probably means Congress can’t order a religion to pay for contraceptions, abortifacients and sterilization against its beliefs. Nor could Biden unilaterally bar discrimination based on a student’s sexual orientation or gender identity.

We’re pretty sure the document did not envision a president’s administration creating by regulation laws the Congress refused to pass — think immigration enforcement and rules promulgated by the EPA, FEC, HHS, HUD or USDA without the consent of Congress.

The Constitution did not envision a president having the authority to require private business employees to be vaccinated against or tested for a virus or unilaterally extend an eviction moratorium without congressional authorization.

Another clause gives Congress the power “to make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States …” though the foregoing powers and powers vested by the Constitution part is largely ignored.

The Constitution also gave Congress the power “To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever … to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings …” And just when did Congress purchase and the state Legislature consent to turning over 85 percent of Nevada’s land mass to the federal government?

As James Madison said, “I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations …”

Happy Constitution Day, while it lasts.

A version of this first appeared in 2014.

76 comments on “Happy Constitution Day

  1. Rincon says:

    With Obamacare, the process worked as the Constitution says and so, nobody is required to pay for insurance, although the hospitals can charge anything their little hearts desire, and the other patients pay extra in order to cover costs for those treated who have no insurance or ability to pay. BTW, 1/5 of all Americans have an outstanding medical debt. I suppose we’re Constitutionally pristine in this case, but with the shortest life expectancy in the developed world and the highest medical costs by far, causing millions of bankruptcies, I think the results suggest that we need a change of some kind. The health of our people is in the BRICS class, not the OECD. Disappointing for the greatest country in the world.

    Interesting that you have become woken to antivaccine peoples’ rights. You may possibly be legally correct, but since unvaccinated people routinely cross state lines for commercial purposes, I think the interstate commerce clause may apply to those travelling out of state, even if they only buy a tank of gas, although the method chosen by the Biden Administration may possibly be unconstitutional. And what does the commerce clause say about vaccinated people who travel to a less vaccinated state, pick up an organism anyway, and then proceed back to their home state, infecting others upon their return?

    To digress slightly, if the Constitution doesn’t give the executive branch the right to impose quarantine procedures, then we need an amendment, since a pandemic with a much worse organism is one of the greatest threats to our way of life, both in severity and likelihood. We failed to arrest COVID in the early stages. Would we have succeeded if it had had a death rate more like ebola? Unlikely. In any epidemic, as with invasion by another country, a quick response is crucial. Congress does not have the ability.

    I suppose technically, the Constitution doesn’t specify a time allotted for nominating and confirming a Supreme Court Justice, but if the Senate decides to delay the process for years, then would you consider that to be Constitutional? I suspect you would also agree that the Constitution prohibits federal funding for teaching religion. Do you?

  2. Athos says:

    What is it about leftist revulsion to reality? And Rinny, you start right off with the outright lie of Obamacare is Constitutional! Pretzel logic allowed the Supremes to write off Obamacare as a tax. But now that the tax part is removed, Big G just forces Everyman US citizen to have HEALTH CARE INSURANCE COVERAGE (which is a FAR cry from actual health care, isn’t it?) Constitutional? Where would that be found, eh?

    Yes, one can bankrupt off medical debt (as opposed to student loan debt) and many, many people are burdened with medical debt. The real argument is whether or not Big G involvement in 3rd party payers. When you aren’t paying out of pocket, the bill is padded BIG TIME! And Big G makes hospitals treat EVERYONE. I still remember the RJ story about 83 illegal immigrants getting dialysis treatments 3 times a week to the tune of $2million/month at UMC (and of course, the taxpayer footed the bill, didn’t we?)

    Hello ICE? Want an easy bust??

    And just what is up with this big push on vaccines, Rinny? One positive thing that has come from the Wuhan Flu is the absolute failure of people in charge of our lives. Fauci – fraud. Walensky – incompetent. Media -liars. FBI – liars, and bunglers. Green Movement leaders – liars, delusional, and scam artists. BLM – grifters and cons. Border security? Forget about it. As to vaccines, boosters, masks, shut downs and social distancing, how did that work out, eh? Do you think Sweden may have got it right? (I thought you leftists LOVED Sweden?)

    Teaching, Randy Weingarten and the Teachers’ Union, and the Department of Education….. FAILURES! These low lifes put greed and ideology before the betterment of our children. Shame on them, and shame on us for allowing it. They would rather push transgenderism and CRT onto our children so as to distract one and all to the fact that they are failures at teaching our kids anything. (Are we ranked higher than Slovakia, yet?)

    And if you read the 1st amendment as to pertaining State controlled religion, of course the state is not prohibited from funding teaching religion. Nothing could be of greater importance that for students to learn the real Truth. Of course, I feel the Dept of Education is unconstitutional, and a terrible waste of money, to boot!

    And I’ll end with touching on the Senate delaying tactic concerning Supreme Court nominees…… This may be the one act that gains Mitch McConnell access to the Pearly Gates by keeping that venal corrupt little man from a lifetime appointment on the Supreme Court! Man, did we dodge a bullet there. Parliamentary procedure, Rinny.

    Parliamentary procedure.

  3. Rincon says:

    Not sure what you mean by saying that government requires everyone to have health care coverage. Are you referring to the fact that hospitals are not allowed to refuse care in emergencies>

    If you’re worrying about health care costs being excessive the way other countries practice it, then explain how they manage to provide high quality care for about half the price that we pay.

    As for illegal aliens, the answer is another issue, but with our snail paced justice system, the only other option would be to let ’em die intentionally. The real answer, of course, is to grease the rails so that illegals and those seeking asylum can be deported quickly. Just ranting about the problem is unproductive.

    We agree that our response to COVID was abysmal. Glad to hear you admit that the Trump Administration dropped the ball. BTW, you seem to feel that all government employees are incompetent and/or corrupt EXCEPT for the police and military, who are most excellent. Is that right?

    If you believe COVID vaccines are worthless, then don’t get one. Nobody’s forcing you.

    Your talk on teaching and transgenders is simply a rant with nothing to discuss.

    You believe the state can fund religion classes, but that would not constitute promoting religion. Wow, who can argue with that?

    Your statement about SCOTUS is indecipherable to me. You’ve called me names in the past for my lack of deciphering ability, so maybe we should just not go there.

  4. Athos says:

    Thanks for the reply, let me pontificate and try to clear up the confusion. In reverse order:

    Mitch McConnell is a career politician that has greatly increased his wealth since being in DC (start in 1985). To be fair, the lion share of his money is from his wife so I’m not saying he’s bought and sold. However, the single act that will probably earn Mitch McConnell a ticket to Heaven was his obstruction of Merrick Garland’s bid to be a Supreme Court Justice. We, as a country, dodged a major catastrophe thus justifying the Parliamentary tricks from bringing him up for a vote. But then again, I don’t believe the Constitution is a “living document” meant to mean whatever is fashionable for the day. And Garland is proving himself to be a corrupt little toad.

    I believe the removal of Christian teaching (10 commandments, golden rule, Lord’s prayer) from the public square is a terrible mistake that has occurred over MY lifetime. And I don’t believe the framers of the Constitution ever meant for that to happened (and yes, I have read Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptist Association and think that was misconstrued to bring us where we are today) We were founded and flourished as a Christian nation right up to my generation, and we should “dance with the one who brings you” and keep our nation one of high moral caliber.

    Try being in the military (or work in the NY health care system et al) or in almost any Joe Biden Federal reach and refuse to get a vaccine. Or be Kyrie Irving! There are still school systems that won’t allow children to attend public school without getting a vaccine. So yes, people ARE being forced to get “the shot”. Looks to me like a definition of Fascism. What’s it look like to you?

    It’s hard to hold up the current Modern Millie Armed Forces given the debacle in Afghanistan. And just when will the FBI admit they made a mistake lying to a FISA court to spy on a sitting President? They are corrupt. Our media is corrupt. George Soros elected DAs are corrupt. Biden, and his spokespeople give us nothing but outright lies (do you really believe the border is secure? Do you really feel Biden or his handlers are aware of the run a way cost of living? Is the country that elected Barry Obama President not once but twice “systemically racist”? Is White Supremacy Public Enemy number 1? Is Hunter Biden not giving his Daddy 10% of his business deals with China, the Ukraine et al? Is Joe not selling 9million barrels of oil to a Chinese company his son has ties with? Was Afghanistan a successful military exercise?)
    Yes. They are all corrupt. Trump should have put Fauci in Siberia (cause he can’t be fired, can he?) and went with Scott Adams to address Covid. Trump has too big an ego and was his own worst enemy BUT he was the man for the time (and 1000% better than Hillary then and Biden now) and was blind sided by the Chinese Flu.

    As Americans we love Immigrants (come in the legal way and assimilate) but hate line breakers. Invoke the law that fines corporations that hire illegals to the nth degree and make sure NO government money goes to illegals. The leftist have already shown us that they will use the military to remove 50 illegal Venezuelans from Martha’s Vineyard within 44 hours, so stop being hypocrites and shut immigration down totally till all this is worked out.

    In my opinion, our health care is way over priced because of big G involvement, subsidies, edicts and the like. PLUS everything in the US is higher than every other country in the world because we are the richest nation in the world. Take away our ability to print up money and flood it into the system and maybe prices will fall. We should be in for a rough few years, don’t you think?

    I believe the IRS is still asking taxpayers who file, to prove they have healthcare insurance. I don’t know what they do if you say you don’t, because I believe the penalty has been removed, right? My problem has always been with 3rd party payers because no one “shops around” if someone else is picking up the tab, do they?

    That’s all for now. And Rin, I’m truly sorry for calling you names in the past. It’s hard for me to believe that our country has become so divided because we elected a man that wanted to Make America Great Again, as opposed to becoming some “Great Reset” to be run by Klaus Schwab and the Davos crowd. And that we can’t rationally discus issues that are of import to our lives and the lives of our children.

    All empires fall. I just don’t relish America’s end on my watch.

  5. Rincon says:

    Thanks for the clarification. There’s a lot here, so I have to reply a little at a time due to my own time constraints. So, here goes…
    I looked up Merrick Garland and found no convictions nor any serious allegations of wrongdoing. Of course, if you know of some accusations, then it might provide fodder for further discussion, but even if he is a scumbag, I don’t think it could justify McConnell’s actions. If you think McConnell followed the Constitution and the wishes of our Founders, so be it, but whether a nominee is a scumbag or not cannot justify an end run around our founding document. The Founders clearly didn’t advocate endless delay in the nominating process. As I said, if a year is OK, then why not 2 or 3 or 20? Of course, the Constitution dictates a speedy trial for those accused, so we don’t pay a lot of attention anyway.

    I’ve been taught that the Bill of Rights was created to prevent the phenomenon called tyranny of the majority. This suggests that if we force the government to adopt Christian rituals and customs, then we must do the same for Muslims, Atheists, and every other sect imaginable. This would make quite a hodgepodge. I believe that this is part of why the Founders insisted upon a separation of church and state. The words of the First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…
    Historically, it seems clear that the Founders wanted not only the freedom to practice one’s religion, but also they didn’t want the church to be a part of the governing process, as it had become in Europe. If you think that’s incorrect, then I’ll try to check into it. Keep in mind that for now at least, Christianity is in decline. If Atheists or Muslims gain the upper hand, would the precedent of a governmentally powerful Christian Church make it easy for them to decide to do the same for their cause?

    You make a good point about the federal employees being required to be vaccinated. I’m not sure if it’s actually Constitutional, but it does beg other questions: If a federal employee gets tuberculosis and insists on coming to work, even though he is contagious, does the government have the right to send him home or not? It also suggests that we must eliminate all vaccine requirements for children in schools. Should we? My wife is an international flight attendant and is required to be vaccinated for a variety of diseases common in some foreign countries. Should the airline be forced to allow her to refuse?

    Underlying the idea that vaccines should never be required presupposes that those who get vaccinated will be fully protected, so what’s the harm? The harm is that many vaccines are nowhere near 100% effective. The DPT vaccine for example, is only 80-90% effective.
    https://www.cdc.gov › pertussis › about › faqs
    Herd immunity protects those who do not respond sufficiently to a vaccine, but only if a sufficient percentage are vaccinated. Should the government allow some people to die because others are stupid? Sounds a lot like negligent homicide to me, so if someone dies because they were infected by an unvaccinated idiot, then can the idiot be charged?

    More later…

  6. Athos says:

    Good evening, Rin. I’m going in reverse order (but shorter this time)
    1. Shingles vaccines are not mandated by law, but yet I got one (from the recommendation of my Uncle – who had shingles) I did receive the polio vaccine in the 50s (sugar cube or something, right?) Government is not omnipotent therefore, cannot prevent death, but I have a very dim view of our current crop of government experts and I do wonder when we will be able to sue drug companies and government agencies when their vaccines and boosters cause injury and death?

    And why did they ban hydroxychloroquine in June of 2020, threatening doctors with loss of license to prescribe medicine? I believe they’ve quietly reversed that prognosis.

    2. Your straw man arguments don’t do you justice, Rin. How many employees (federal or otherwise) go to work with tuberculosis? I’m guessing, in this current labor market, the numbers are very low. Illegal aliens ARE bringing it in and for some reason, the Big G doesn’t seem to mind at all, huh?

    3. Christianity may be on the wane (last figures I got were 80% of our fellow American citizens identify as Christian, including Catholicism) but there can be no honest study of our founding fathers and the birth of this nation without recognizing Judeo-Christian values. I agree that they didn’t want a Federal Religion (like the Church of England or the Vatican) but they were not anti-church. (Some state still has a state religion written into its state constitution – South Carolina, maybe?) We need to stick to our roots.

    4. Merrick Garland is expending a tremendous amount of federal law enforcement assets to pursue Donald Trump supporters. Last I checked, it’s not against the law to have voted for Trump. And Garland also went after the parents who attended School Board meetings critical of School Board policy at the behest of the National School Boards Association.(10/2021). When the Supreme Court Justices were targeted at THEIR HOMES (leaked Dobbs decision), Garland did nothing. And the bias is quite clear when it comes to the handling of Hunter Biden’s laptop.

    But the worst was the raid of Mar-A-Largo by 30 FBI agents vs Hillary’s laptop, and cell phones (in fact, almost everyone OTHER than Trump or his supporters are usually asked to drop the stuff off, and aren’t treated to a 6am door busting ceremony) Going after political opponents with pre-dawn raids has never been done in this country. That’s pure banana republic. And that’s why Merrick Garland is a hack and would have been poison as a Supreme!

    You’re right about the time…more later

  7. Rincon says:

    Lots to discuss, although there’s also a lot on your first post that remains untouched. Alas, a pontificator’s work is never done. I guess I’ll address your last post by number and then later get back to the first one.

    1) I don’t believe the FDA banned hydroxyquinone for COVID, but rather removed its emergency approval status for treating the disease. Doctors are and have been allowed to use any U.S. manufactured drug for any disease, but the courts view the use of drugs for uses other than those approved (“off label”)with much more skepticism than for approved uses. Drugs are often used off label with little legal risk because their use is within good medical judgement. Hydroxyquinone became particularly risky though, because worldwide, up to 200 studies showed its use to be medically unjustifiable.

    As it stands now, governments “require” some vaccines, but people can apply for exceptions. In California in particular, lots of people routinely use the religious exemption, and it is routinely honored due to political correctness. As a result, whooping cough, among other diseases, broke out in 2010 and 2014, killing 20 or so infants (which were too young to be vaccinated), and causing brain damage in about 20 more. In the 2010, the breakout occurred even though 91% of kindergarteners were vaccinated. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/09/25/226147147/vaccine-refusals-fueled-californias-whooping-cough-epidemic

    Should we eliminate the need to go to the trouble of applying for an exemption in the name of individual freedom? In the case of California, where the deaths would have been surely higher without the exemption requirement, it boils down to which is more onerous, dealing with antivaccers who are angry at being inconvenienced or trying to explain to parents that we allowed their baby to die because the antivaccers demanded more convenience. It’s a difficult question because the antivaccers control a large number of votes, but the negative publicity for politicians from grieving parents is pretty devastating as well.

    2) I can understand your objection to the tuberculosis example. I suppose I could have just used COVID instead. After all, it did kill a million of us.

    Since the U.S. infection and death numbers were about as bad as almost any on the planet, I believe the chances of an illegal being infected were not significantly greater than those of an ordinary U.S. citizen. I do agree with you though, that the Democrats have done a terrible job of stemming the flow of illegals. We do need to control our borders.

    3) “In a 2020 survey by the Pew Research Center, 65% of adults in the United States identified themselves as Christians. They were 75% in 2015 70.6% in 2014, 78% in 2012, 81.6% in 2001, and 85% in 1990.” https://www.google.com/search?q=what+percentage+of+the+u.s.+population+is+christian&ei=-cssY_exAsuJptQPoYmMuAY&ved=0ahUKEwi3koPbpKn6AhXLhIkEHaEEA2cQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=what+percentage+of+the+u.s.+population+is+christian&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQgAEIAEMgYIABAeEBYyBggAEB4QFjIGCAAQHhAWMgYIABAeEBYyBggAEB4QFjIGCAAQHhAWMgUIABCGAzoUCAAQ6gIQtAIQigMQtwMQ1AMQ5QI6DggAEI8BEOoCEIwDEOUCOgUIABCRAjoKCAAQsQMQgwEQQzoLCC4QgAQQsQMQgwE6EQguEIAEELEDEIMBEMcBENEDOgUILhCABDoLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6BAgAEEM6CAgAELEDEIMBOgUIABCxAzoICAAQgAQQyQM6CAgAEIAEELEDSgQIQRgASgQIRhgAUABYsnlgp6YBaAFwAXgBgAH9AogB8CySAQkyNS4yMy4yLjGYAQCgAQGwAQrAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz
    Since only 2/3 of our country is Christian, I don’t think they should be allowed to run roughshod over the other 1/3. They still have 2/3 of the votes. That by itself should be enough.

    4) I don’t find much about Garland’s alleged misdeeds. Can you provide a source?

    Trump had been asked repeatedly, starting on May 6, 2020 for the documents, and did not return any until January of 2022, 15 boxes in all, claiming that it included everything. Witnesses reported that many more documents remained at Mara Lago, so the warrant was issued. We know the results. Trump’s supporters can’t understand why he’s being “harassed”. Seems to me that he’s being given undue consideration. Any minor official doing the same would have been in the pokey by now. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/30/mar-a-lago-timeline-trump-documents/

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  9. Rincon says:

    Ah, finally some time available.

    I guess we actually covered most of what I called your first post. Just a couple of details. You said that our health care is expensive because of government involvement. I would like to hear your idea of how health care should be run. Also, I have to ask why drug companies charge American citizens far more than they charge foreigners. Is this also due to too much government involvement?

    As for Hunter Biden, just two words. No collusion. What works for Trump works for Brandon. That is, if you believe that Trump is the victim of a Democrat vendetta laying false charges, then why can we not say the same thing about Biden – and Hillary for that matter?

  10. Athos says:

    Test. Tom, did you just ban my post?

  11. Athos says:

    I’m almost afraid to try this again but here goes:

    1. 3 of my doctors in Nevada wouldn’t prescribe Hydroxy because the pharmacy would report them to the Nevada Medical board. That was June 2020.

    Kids were never in danger of contracting or spreading Wu Han Flu. We knew this early because there were open states and locked down states. We were locked down and our kids paid the price.

    2. Glad you agree with me on our illegal invasion at Biden’s invitation. The hypocrisy of Martha’s Vineyard would be funny if not for the fact that nothing’s changed.

    3. I’ve found 95% in the 50s (when I was born) to 75% today (and 80+% just 8 years ago) That doesn’t change the fact that our country (and in fact Western Civilization) has flourished due to Judeo-Christian principles, and ignoring them only degrades us.
    Golden Rule, 10 Commandments, even “love your God above all else and your neighbor as yourself” are admirable ways to live one’s life, and should be emphasized to our youths. It gives our lives more meaning than following the latest Tick Tock.

    4. Merrick Garland isn’t on the Supreme Court because of Trump. And Garland would be out of a job if Trump is re-elected in ’24. He should recuse himself from all things Trump. Honor demands it. He should also quit wasting so much time on arresting Trumps supporters for “illegal parading” on Jan.6 and go after all those BLM and Antifa looters that actually caused multiple deaths and billion$ in property damage.

    Plus having the FBI investigate parents attending School board meetings at the behest of the National School Board Associations (who were yelling at the board over the teaching of CRT) or arresting Mark Houck for speaking out about abortion in front of his kids and wanting to put him away for 11 years?

    Corrupt weasel, Merrick Garland.

    Hopefully, this one will post?!?

  12. Athos says:

    Rin. Just got your latest…

    How would I like health care to be run? Handle insurance like auto or car insurance and have NO government involvement (that goes for the VA, Medicare, and Welfarecare. Give people a voucher and make them responsible for their own lives.

    Hunter Biden. “No collusion”??? What if the “big guy” turns out to be Joe Biden? What then? Would that put the Ukrainian War Aid on different footing, if Joe is just protecting an asset (or he’s being blackmailed?) That’s a head spinner for sure.

    It’s unknown (and so far unreported) that Hillary or Brandon have been spied on by a FISA approved court Warrant, yes? So it stands to reason that Trump has been subjected to a different system of justice. And it does reject decorum and propriety which is beneath our standing in the world (much more suited for some south American Banana Republic, IMHO)

  13. Rincon says:

    Glad to see you got past the censors. Could the Democrats be paying Thomas off? 🙂

    1) I Googled, “is it illegal to prescribe hydroxyquinone for COVID”. Also did the same for hydroquinone, and got nothing. On that basis, I have to assume that it is not illegal, but that there is another explanation for your experience. I wonder if pharmacists were reporting doctors prescribing it to the Nevada AMA, which would typically handle malpractice complaints. It’s possible they were urged to do so because people prescribed it for legitimate purposes were unable to acquire the drug and so, were denied treatment during the shortage.

    Are you suggesting that no children were harmed by COVID or that they just weren’t very effective spreaders? I agree though, that school lockdowns were overdone in many states. In Illinois, much of the blame goes to the teachers’ union.

    2) The Democrats make such a fuss about the bussing being cruel to the migrants. Cruel? They ended up in “sanctuary cities”. I think it was a brilliant way for Texas and Florida to make a valid point.

    3) I think our disagreement here is only at the margins. Judeo Christian ethics do and should dominate the country, but if the government starts requiring me to sacrifice lambs at some altar, I will have concerns.

    4) As I understand it, Mitch McConnell in the Senate refused to consider any nomination of any kind until a Republican had a chance to be the nominator. That’s pretty far away from the idea that Garland hates Trump individually. That being said, it’s unfortunate that we have only Republican and Democrat politicians. This means any investigation has to be carried out by an enemy administration, raising suspicions of political persecution, or by an administration of the same party, raising suspicions of favoritism and obstruction.

    Sedition is a crime and some members of the mob were clearly guilty of it. As for Mark Houck, he was “accused of violating the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances (FACE) Act, which makes it a federal crime to use force with the intent to injure, intimidate and interfere with anyone because that person produces reproductive health care.” Presumably, a warrant was only issued with compelling evidence, as is the law. Do you suggest he should have gotten a pass? https://www.foxnews.com/us/pro-life-activist-mark-houck-pleads-not-guilty-federal-charges-fbi-arrest

    The “no collusion” comment was in reference to Republicans accepting that Trump was innocent since Mueller could not find a smoking gun for actual collusion, a very difficult thing to prove in the absence of some kind of recording of intent. If you demand the same level of evidence that you have for all of Trump’s various scandals, then you would have to conclude that there is also insufficient evidence on Biden.

    One more thing. The only person who could have called off the mob on January 6 was Trump, but he waited 3 hours before saying anything at all. Whether he committed a crime is not something I can weigh on, but it is clear that he wanted to overturn the election by force and allowed it to proceed for that reason. There is only one thing that could dissuade me from that: An explanation from Trump, but he has not defended his inaction at all. Remarkably, he doesn’t even think the voters deserve an explanation, but his supporters are quite happy with being kept in the dark.

    The conclusion that the FISA warrant was unjustified was made by the Trump Justice Department. The warrant itself was signed by four judges appointed by Republicans. Sorry, but I simply do not trust the Trump justice department.

    I think I’ll wait a bit before getting us entangled in health care. That would just complicate everything for the moment.

  14. Athos says:

    Good one about Thomas getting paid off. Only wish he could get some of that Soros money!

    1. According to an article by reporter Michele Price, published in the Washington Times, on Tuesday March 24, 2020,
    “Nevada’s governor has signed an emergency order barring the use of anti-malaria drugs for someone who has the coronavirus.
    Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak’s order Tuesday restricting chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine comes after President Donald Trump touted the medication as a treatment for the virus.” This tends to corroborate what was told me by my doctors and show what a craven, incompetent leader Sissydick is (check out a July 29, 2020, article by Rob Lauer in “360 Vegas News” showing this inept phony buying Hydroxy at a Walgreens when he thought HE was exposed!)

    Now the news from today (10/3) “NIH gives more bat coronavirus funding to Wuhan lab-linked EcoHealth” Washington Examiner. Talk about in your face, peasant!

    If you look at child risk from Covid over the last 2 years (3/2020 to 6/2022)

    My point about the children is that from the SNHD website the number of children in Southern Nevada that died of Covid 19 was under 20. That’s out of a child population north of 330,000. There were more child deaths from suicide (which is a possible side effect of the lockdowns and social distancing) . Another FAILURE of our corrupt and buffoonish leaders. (Why could we have Ron DeSantis?)

    2) and 3) cool

    4)One of Trump’s campaign promises is to NOT nominate Garland. (and this was another case of Trump keeping his promise) If Garland wasn’t a corrupt incompetent leader he would do the honorable thing and recuse himself from all things Trump.

    But then, I just answered my own question about why he continues, didn’t I?

    Mark Houck being arrested by an FBI swat team of 15 armed agents over an offense that occurred last year (and was not charged or prosecuted by the Philadelphia police or DA!) makes me wonder what’s up with MG? Houck was questioned by the FBI (supposedly by phone), hired a federal law attorney (and a past federal prosecutor) who agreed to surrender Mark whenever the FBI or DOJ wanted him but INSTEAD Garland’s goons had to make a statement, didn’t they?

    Now here’s an exercise about Garlands “equal justice”, Rin. Google “pregnancy centers firebombed, or vandalized by Jane’s Revenge” (especially Buffalo, NY) and answer me why ZERO arrests have been made over these major (arson) crimes? And yes, FACE applies to these pregnancy centers every bit as much as abortion clinics.

    January 6, is not a trial because there is NO DEFENSE INVOLVED. We’re getting only 1 side of the story (kind of reminds me of those communist show trials from the USSR, huh?) Here’s a thought: let’s kick out those crazed lunatic democrats, put in some sane Republicans, release all the video footage of inside and outside the Capitol building that day, and have a REAL fact finding mission, eh?
    Last point: like it or not, we’re stuck with this 2 party system. Dems or Repubs. And the Dems are more and more becoming the dystopian party. Maybe that’s what Barry O meant by “fundamental transformation”.

    As to not trusting the Trump Justice Department, I agree with you. And I believe Trump doesn’t trust the Trump Justice department either! (much to his own regret, I might add!)

  15. Athos says:

    Oh, and if the Mueller team would have found ANYTHING to pin on Trump, it would have lead the nightly news up until (and possibly along with) Covid, until after his defeat in the 2020 elections.

    But then, deep down, you know that to be true, yes?

  16. Athos says:

    One more thing, it pains me to believe that 81 million of my fellow Americans voted against Trump and for Biden. Given the non-existent size of the crowds that Biden attracts EVEN TODAY, and the venal nature of him calling MAGA people neo-fascist, of which I, along with 74+million, belong it naturally leads us to believe we (and Trump) were cheated. But we DID accept it, and if you continue to call that kerfuffle on Jan 6, an “insurrection” when it was led by a half naked idiot wearing Buffalo Horns like a Viking, and mom and pops strolling thru the Capitol taking pictures AND LEAVING, we definitely have to agree to disagree

    . It started at 1pm and ended when National Guard pushed the people back into the street at 6pm with quiet restored at 8pm and the only person shot was Ashley Babbitt! The vote preceded and Joe Brandon was confirmed as Prez. (Bet a lot of people wish we could have THAT day back again, huh?)
    Now, how about we compare that to ANY BLM riot of 2020, and THEN talk about being “quite happy with being kept in the dark.” shall we?

  17. Rincon says:

    1) Thanks for clearing this up. I have to agree that the Nevada order was out of control. I’ve always said that the state and local governments abuse our rights more than the feds (try getting an animal hospital constructed), but they don’t generate as much news. The evidence appears clear that this is quackery. This suggests Trump recklessly endangered those gullible enough to believe him. CTTOI, I think there were a few badly injured by ingesting bleach.

    For me, the Mark Houck incident is going to take time to sort out. If the FBI used excessive force, then you can bet there will be a very well funded lawsuit, but if you never see one, you can bet it was fake news. Here is the FBI response, in a pro life publication: “In response, a spokesman from the FBI’s Philadelphia office stated, “there are inaccurate claims being made regarding the arrest of Mark Houck… No SWAT Team or SWAT operators were involved. FBI agents knocked on Mr. Houck’s front door, identified themselves as FBI agents, and asked him to exit the residence. He did so and was taken into custody without incident.” https://texasrighttolife.com/fbi-denies-any-wrongdoing-in-raid-arrest-of-pro-life-father/
    So somebody is lying through their teeth. Should I believe the FBI, which would have to somehow induce the 15 “armed agents” and numerous other FBI personnel to be willing to lie under oath, or a political extremist, who has only his family as witnesses? This also fails the stink test. Unless there was suspicion of possible violence, why would the FBI spend the resources on an arrest for a minor incident? Was there any damage to the door of the house? Was anyone in the family injured? Did the FBI do anything more than just scare his family? Even the worst allegations sound like a tempest in a teapot.

    You’re correct that children were never at high risk for COVID, although we somehow tend to dismiss any victims who didn’t actually die. Young people are more likely to develop long term COVID than us oldies. At the time, children were presumed to be able to spread COVID as easily as anyone else. The major concern was that spreading COVID from a single infected child to another 20 or 30 kids in their classroom, repeated in hundreds of schools risked pouring gasoline on a fire. The goal was to slow down the spread of the virus until a vaccine could be made. I guess it’s easier to be casual about it now that the epidemic has settled down and “only” a million or so citizens died. Maybe you think another million would have been just fine, but in the beginning, with a lack of solid information, closing schools for awhile was justifiable, in my opinion.
    I do agree with you though, that, at least here in Illinois, the schools were shut down for far too long.

    As for no arrests for firebombed pregnancy centers, are saying the local police were in on it?

    4) Only one side of January 6 has been shown to us? Then why doesn’t Trump himself explain why he waited three hours to call it off? Can you fill me in on all of the details that have supposedly been suppressed? BTW, the Republicans were invited to serve on that committee and only two agreed to do so and if the Trump Administration hadn’t deleted all of the texts from the Secret Service from that day, we might have seen this evidence of innocence, but then one has to ask, why would they have deleted it all?

    PS) The Mueller team found a ton of incriminating evidence, just not enough to press criminal charges on a very well connected and well funded defendant, who was legally protected by his great power, and where failure to convict could lead to civil unrest. We can go over it later, perhaps.

    PPS) The January 6 criminals were given public trials, and I have seen no complaints of skirting the legal process. Whether it could be called an attempted insurrection would look vastly different if it had triggered massive protests and rioting around the country. It’s certainly likely that some of the mob was hoping for just that. Again, if Trump wasn’t hoping the same, why did it take 3 hours for him to just nicely ask them to go home, as he FINALLY did?

  18. Athos says:

    Interesting, Rin. You’re statement about the hypocrisy of our soon to be ex Gov Sissylack banning Hydroxy after Trump said he was taking it (which turns out the FDA as of 9/22 agrees that it may be used) makes me wonder who was recklessly endangering who, according to your statement. Trump proved to be right (and the quackery was from those states that banned Hydroxy) And “come to think of it” who was injured drinking bleach from something Trump said? I can’t seem to find ANYONE that was hospitalized for drinking bleach which leads me to believe this was just another case of FAKE NEWS. You see, Rin, this is what rankles. Your opinion of anyone TOO STUPID to vote for a “Make America Great Again” candidate just assumes we’re stupid enough to drink bleach. Meanwhile, how’s this Biden economy treating ya? 401K doing well?

    You did read that article you posted supporting the FBI’s claim that it was a peaceful arrest with no SWAT, didn’t you? I did have my own post to show you from the NY Times https://nypost.com/2022/09/29/wife-of-pro-life-activist-mark-houck-speaks-out-after-fbi-arrest/ but yours does just about the same job. In addition, FBI raided a Tennessee preacher (Paul Vaughn) with the same type of set up (featured on Tucker Carlson’s 10/10/22, show https://www.foxnews.com/video/6313586287112
    that is eerily similar and begs the question why these guys and why now?

    As to the local cops doing the Buffalo Crisis Center, I must remind you that the same FACE law that brought the FBI to Mark Houck’s door ALSO protects these Crisis Clinics. I’m seeing (and pointing out to you) a very clear bias to Merrick Garland’s DOJ, and it seems to run contrary to people opposing lunatic progressive policies (you know, the new democrat base!) If the above articles don’t go through, check out Mary Margaret Oloban’s twitter account…this Ring doorbell camera stuff is just poison to the FBI’s stated position.

    Young people more likely to get long term covid than us oldies? Where did you ever get that idea? The farther we get from the debacle of our incompetent leaders totally sacrificing the well being of our child, the more heinous their crimes become. And NOW there’s a Florida study that shows 84% increase in cardiac related death 28 days after taking the covid vaccine. Is it extensive? Don’t know. But until more studies are given, there is no way I’m getting my 16 year old son a Covid shot.

    Remember, we were told by no less an authority than Anthony Fauci that getting the original vaccine would prevent our getting, or spreading, covid, weren’t we? What’s the story from St. Fauci, now?

    PS) ? Well connected and too politically powerful to convict because of civil unrest was the reason that NOTHING WAS PUBLISHED THAT FOUND CRIMINALITY (other than the phony baloney FISA wiretap approvals, huh) I guess having 2 impeachment trials over things Joe Biden was guilty was civil unity, huh, Rin? (You do read the stuff you send out before you post it, right?)

    PPS) Well, after 18 months of legal bills and the full weight of the US DOJ, why would anyone cut a deal and plead out? Sure can’t figure that one out (unless I discount political retribution and using the government as a way to silence all dissent) And don’t get me wrong, where in the world are all the Republicans that should be standing up for these railroaded people?? And just how many people are still in jail awaiting trial? I can’t find that info out for the life of me. Isn’t ANYONE interested in winning a Pulitzer Prize over following this story?

    Or all have we become the land of the “woke” and silent??

  19. Athos says:

    That Florida study deals with an 84% increase in young men ages 18-39, of cardiac deaths after taking the vaccine. This is not the 1st time I’ve heard healthy young men dropping dead of heart attacks after taking the vaccine (soccer players in Europe? and some more here in the US) but the news doesn’t get out.

    Just from common sense, I told my under 30 children that are in great physical shape that covid may not pose a life threatening danger and wait on further vaccine test results. And of course, my 16 year old is under my care and won’t be getting it.

  20. Rincon says:

    Hope you enjoy the sparring. Who knows, it might stave off dementia in our aging brains!

    If you think Trump was right about Hydroxy, then we should both do a little research, because this placebo controlled trial showed no benefit: https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2020/september/hydroxychloroquine-no-more-effective-than-placebo-in-preventing-covid19

    The question of whether anyone was poisoned by Trump’s prattlings about bleach is a little tricky, since few who got sick are likely to admit that they actually did something so stupid. Nevertheless, it appears that poisonings from ingesting bleach rose somewhat dramatically in the two months following Trump’s statement, only to drop back to normal two months later. https://time.com/5835244/accidental-poisonings-trump/ We might never prove that any particular individual was harmed, but I hope we can agree as to the stupidity of the utterances.

    I find the words of the wife of the antiabortionist in the NY Post article to be questionable. 15 SWAT vehicles on the lawn? Must be a very big lawn. So far as I know, SWAT teams generally park down the street and approach on foot. In this situation, surprise is their ally, so it seems that they would be unlikely to announce their presence by pulling a bunch of vehicles onto the lawn before getting out and approaching the door. If they did that, did any neighbors get photos? In this day and age, it would be hard to believe that no one did.

    I said children are more likely to get LONG TERM COVID, not just the virus. According to this paper in Nature, about 25% have long term symptoms, enough to say that dismissing young people as being immune is unreasonable. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-13495-5

    The Florida study was unpublished, lists no authors (!), and no state other than Florida acted upon it. Experts have called the study fatally flawed. An article explains the flaw like this:
    “To understand the issue in the Florida analysis, Farrington said to consider a hypothetical scenario in which there are two doses given four weeks apart and in which deaths occur at a constant rate of one per week, unrelated to vaccination. For a 29-week period, there would be 29 total deaths: four in the first four weeks after dose one, four in the first four weeks after dose two, and 21 in the 21 subsequent weeks.

    But if one were to do the analysis that Florida’s health department did, comparing the rates of death in the four weeks after the last dose given, Farrington said, there would be eight deaths within four weeks of a vaccine dose. The apparent rate ratio, he said, would be 2, suggesting a doubling of the risk. But this would be an error.

    “This is biased upwards: the true rate ratio is 1, since deaths arise at a constant rate of 1 per week irrespective of vaccination,” he said.”
    Waiting for further studies makes little sense when this vaccine has been included in dozens of studies. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00290-x

    We can discuss Trump’s “alleged” criminality” for a long time, but until he can explain why he waited three hours on 1/6 to call off his followers, he’s guilty as hell in my book. BTW, why are you so convinced that Joe Biden is guilty of something? Have you seen evidence that I have not?

    It also seems that Trump’s followers wanted to “lock her up”, presumably because Hillary had 33 classified Emails out of 30,000 in her computers. Do they now also feel that Trump should be “locked up” for keeping ten times as many, along with hundreds of nonclassified ones belonging to his employer, even after telling the Justice Dept. that he didn’t have them?

  21. For some reason I was required to approve Rincon’s post and I got around to doing that.

    In 2016 Biden threatened the Ukrainian president that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees unless a prosecutor was immediately fired. He later bragged about it publicly.
    That prosecutor was leading a corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings, which was paying Hunter Biden to serve on its board.

  22. Anonymous says:

    Our ruling
    The viral image said that when Hunter Biden was serving as “a director to Ukraine’s largest private gas producer,” his father “threatened to withhold $1 BILLION in U.S. aid to Ukraine if they didn’t fire a prosecutor looking into” the gas company.

    The image gets individual pieces of this assertion right — Hunter Biden was a director of the company, and Joe Biden did leverage U.S. aid to fire a prosecutor. But it overreaches by assuming that Joe Biden acted to protect the company his son was affiliated with. In reality, there was widespread agreement in the West that the existing prosecutor had to go, and it’s not clear that the company would have benefited from his ouster anyway, given evidence that its cases had long been dormant.

    That said, experts criticize the Bidens for their arrangement, saying it could have been a significant conflict of interest.

    We rate the statement Half True.


  23. Anonymous says:

    When Biden had his now-famous showdown with former Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko, he was delivering a message not only from the United States, but from the International Monetary Fund and the European Union. All three entities were focused on curtailing corruption in Ukraine and all three were deeply suspicious that Poroshenko’s prosecutor was playing a familiar game of tamping down investigations as a form of political favoritism.

    (By all credible accounts, the prosecutor slow-walked the investigation of the energy company that hired Biden’s son, so, if anything, the prosecutor was doing the Bidens a favor. Getting rid of him would do the opposite.)


  24. Athos says:

    Wow. Lots to unpack. Memory is a tricky thing, isn’t it? Your article basically talks about hydroxy PREVENTING one getting Covid. I believe that to date, NOTHING prevents you from getting Covid-19, including the vaccine and multiple boosters, does it? I could be mistaken, but fully vaccinated and boosted individuals have STILL contracted the Chinese Wu Flu and died, correct? And there are 2 incidents from my memory (antidotal, I confess) that did credit Hydroxy as beneficial (one was the Congresswoman from Detroit Karen Wittset.And another, Dr. Vladimir Zelenko of NY, who had some success rates early on in 2020) and of course, Nevada’s own POS gov Sissylack that ran off to get his own supply after shutting down his constituents ability to do the same. I took Vit D3 and Zinc the whole time (and still do, to this day) but I still got it (but it was extremely mild). As to the Florida study, and the effects of “long Covid” on children, I would rather err on the side of caution and NOT give my children this vaccine until more is known. They used to call that “common sense”.

    Your non answer about people dying from drinking bleach attributing Prez45 command (or was it hyperbole??) to drink illustrates your contempt for Trump voters and total lack of understanding why there are so many of us that want to return to the culture we were raised in, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. Maybe that’s for another topic on another day, eh? Hopefully November 8, will shed some light on whether the American people want what Brandon and Co are selling. (I certainly know I don’t! Big mystery there, eh?)

    You know, when you actually SEE the videos about the raids (and I’m sure there are more to come) you have to ask yourself “Who ya gonna believe, Rin? The official government line or your own lying eyes??” The problem is that when a person’s ideology is so wrapped up in a false narrative (pro life preachers are domestic terrorists) it’s almost impossible to break thru that wall of denial. And Rin, you just proved my point. How can we possibly have an educated discussion of what this is, if you fail to see what’s in front of you? “Wag the dog” video lies? Neil Armstrong never set foot on the moon? Oliver Stone and the magic bullet?

    Tough sledding.

    The same holds true for Tom’s evidence of Biden having the “son of bitch! he was fired!” exchange in 2016, and Hunter Biden’s laptop being totally unreported. It’s like a bad movie (“nothing to see here…move along…”) although that was anny (petey or patrick or some bot) not you, but the principle is the same. Reality is trumped by your ideology; and for some reason, you feel ideology will win? Hmmmm

    Jan. 6, and Trump’s heinous and unforgivable crime. Not calling off the Capitol Building Riot for 3 and a half hours. Once again, when the truth comes out (and with both sides being represented, not the show trial we have going on now) more will be revealed. Who died in that time frame, Rin? What was the estimated damage these rioters did to the Capitol? Did they burn it down? Spray paint the paintings on the wall? Urinate in Chuck Schumer’s office? Put a dead horses head on Nancy Pelousy’s desk? Topple a few statues?

    I don’t in any way condone what was done, and wish Trump would have went with them and kept everything “mostly peaceful”. But a little perspective is warranted here, I believe, and who IS Ray Epps? Of course, what else are the Dem’s gonna run on in November? Killing babies and you’re too stupid to know the economy is great?

  25. Athos says:

    2 more things I missed.

    1) a post of mine got bounced the other day and I suspect it was the imbedded url I put in to link to something (which unfortunately I forget what it was) I left out the link on the second attempt and it went thru no problem.

    2) Hillery Clinton used bleach bit and sledgehammers on her hard drives and government cell phones PRIOR to obeying a subpoena to turn them in, right? Are you saying she did that to shelter 33 out of 30,000 government classified emails?


    And Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide, too, right?

  26. Athos says:

    And she didn’t know the “C” on the papers stood for “Confidential” not the average grade!

  27. Athos says:

    I’m sometimes overwhelmed by how far we’ve come to having ideology trump reality. The news is totally devoid of all credibility as it pushes the left’s narrative despite being so obviously false. (the “mostly peaceful protests” being reported with the background buildings on fire is classic Communist Pravda). When high school boys started winning (and shattering all) girls track records in Connecticut in 2019, I couldn’t believe adults would allow this to continue. MMA in 2021 had transgender males putting their female opponents in the hospital, and I still couldn’t believe this travesty could stand. Then Will Thomas won gold in the 500 freestyle GIRLS swim event and still I was waiting for the sane adults to stop this cheating and end this rejection of reality.

    But it hasn’t happened yet. And now, Gavin “any twosome” Newsom has signed a bill in next door Cali where politics will OFFICIALLY trump science. “AB 2098 by Assemblyman Evan Low, D-Campbell, was co-sponsored by the California Medical Association to tamp down COVID-19 misinformation, often spread through social media, promoting untested or ineffective treatments and cures and questioning the effectiveness of face masks and vaccines.” Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine or don’t recommend healthy young men taking the vaccine and the state will pull your license to practice medicine?

    So now it’s official that you can study all the medicine you want, but Gavin Newsom gets the final say in what’s what for Covid-19. This tyranny is laughable when you look at California’s track record on Covid. But it’s not funny, cause it’s really happening.

    And I ask myself, “this can’t be for real, can it? When will the people rise up and demand enough of this insanity?” And this departure from reality (and American sense of fair play) really ratcheted up right after the Dobbs case was leaked (about overturning Roe v Wade) Gotta take the kids to the twerking Drag Queen story hour and subject them to gender confusion. (what’s wrong with these parents????)

    Rinny, Anny (pete or paulie), Thomas, Bill, anyone else think Obama’s boast to “fundamentally transform America” is shaping up before our eyes? Is this the culture change you want for America?

  28. Yes, American is being fundamentally transformed. The delusion is not an illusion.

  29. Athos says:

    Had to rant, and thank you, once again, Tom, for providing this platform. Unfortunately, I’m going to pick your brain about the failure of today’s editors (newsprint, magazine) and whoever is in charge of our TV news (are they also editors?), and even the programmers for TV and movies.

    Have you seen the NYT poll rating the MSM (main stream media) as the highest threat to our democracy? Even 70% of DEMOCRATS see the MSM as a threat! All Americans see the MSM as “major” threat @59% and “minor” threat @ 25% for a grand total of 84%! (with “not a threat” at 15%)

    Wonder why that is??

    Maybe we’re tired of not getting the full story, eh? When 50 “intelligence” officials tell us that the Hunter Biden Laptop story is “Russian disinformation” and, to date, NOT ONE has been asked why they stated such an obvious lie, where are the reporters DOING THEIR JOBS? There isn’t one curious reporting agency that wants to know why the former heads of the CIA would lie about this?

    And why did Jeffrey Epstein’s TV monitors go off, and his roommate was transferred, and he was taken off suicide watch the same day he committed suicide? Couple that with his girlfriend Maxwell, not giving up ANY of the “johns” she supplied under age girls for sex, and it’s hard to believe that NOT ONE news outlet would try to scoop this story up (sex, powerful players, and jet setters wouldn’t sell papers or keep people glued to the news?? Is this the new norm, Tom?)

    The list goes on and on with how much crap we’re being fed (gender affirming care instead of child mutilation? can’t they call it what it is??) Why the blatant bias?

    What is the possible endgame?

    And why are there videos of Capitol Police opening doors for people to walk right in on January 6th? Is that being covered by the J6 Committee in Congress? Or are they hoping Donald Trump (who wasn’t there) can shed some light on the subject?

    Rant out.

  30. Athos says:

    One more thing, where is the SCIENCE that proves a biological man can become a biological woman? (and vice versa??) Because before I right off on Joe Biden’s big surgical alterations of CHILDREN, I think we have a right to actually SEE the science, don’t you??

  31. 85 percent of the people don’t follow so-called MSM. Circulation and viewership have fallen drastically along with the time spent consuming news of any kind. Without ad revenue budgets have been decimated and the number of aggressive reporters and editors has fallen. As for science, delusion is now acceptable in any realm.

  32. Athos says:

    Gorrell Art. OUCH! Thanks for the chuckle

  33. Athos says:

    I had to do a double take (triple take, actually) about your “85% … don’t follow” statement. So, are these people getting their news from tic-tock, twitter, facebook and the like? It would follow that all the campaign commercials on TV, along with the political mailers is all the education our electorate has to base their vote?


    There were over 160 million (according to Bloomberg) that voted in the 2020 election. There are 258.3 million eligible voters in the US (2020 census) The math says a whole lot of uneducated people voted, doesn’t it?

  34. Sorry, I misstated. I meant to write that, while 85 percent may view MSM as a threat, the vast majority of people no longer consume much professional news.

  35. Anonymous says:

    Never believe the nonsense that children like Athos post.

    Challenge him to link to anything that says anything like what he claimed about “mainstream” media because while it MIGHT be true that democrats as a whole believe that “media” like say “stormfront” or “Alex Jones” are a threat to democracy, the vast majority of them recognize that “mainstream” media is not.

  36. Anonymous says:

    You could also throw blogs like Vin Suprynowicz in there as well among “media” but surely not “mainstream” and DEFINITELY a threat to democracy.

  37. Rincon says:

    Boy, I took my eyes off this space for only a week or so, and look what happens. Too much has passed to discuss in detail, so I thought I would just take pot shots at a few statements made above. What could be more fun 🙂

    “I could be mistaken, but fully vaccinated and boosted individuals have STILL contracted the Chinese Wu Flu and died” Correct you are. Not only that, but millions of people with serious infections (not COVID) have been put on antibiotics over the years, and a fair number of them died. This will not persuade me to avoid antibiotics when indicated.

    “You know, when you actually SEE the videos about the raids (and I’m sure there are more to come) you have to ask yourself “Who ya gonna believe, Rin? The official government line or your own lying eyes??” I’ll be happy to look over photos or videos of the raid, but have been unable to find them. Perhaps you can provide me with a link? I could change my mind. All I’ve seen so far is 3 cars parked in a driveway, and a couple of closeups of FBI SWAT personnel holding weapons that have no features identifying where the pictures were taken. I also cannot find a video of the raid.

    “Jan. 6, and Trump’s heinous and unforgivable crime. Not calling off the Capitol Building Riot for 3 and a half hours. Once again, when the truth comes out (and with both sides being represented, not the show trial we have going on now) more will be revealed.” For the moment, all I ask is that Trump explain his lack of action. He won’t though. I wonder why?

    Hunter Biden’s stint in Ukraine deserves investigation. What I can’t understand though, is why you always give Trump a pass on much more numerous and substantial misdeeds.

    Hillary also needed condemnation for her destruction of data, but you seem to think that the erasure of all Secret Service messages on January 6 is just fine. Same with her 13 classified Emails and Trump’s over 100 classified files. Seems to be a double standard.

    “Yes, American is being fundamentally transformed. The delusion is not an illusion.”

    I agree. It’s now fine for any politician’s followers to forcefully prevent election results from being enacted, blackmailing a foreign leader into “investigating” an opponent is now acceptable, strong arming political allies to cheat on election results on your behalf is also just peachy, not to mention state legislatures. 50 court cases filed, all without merit? Perfectly normal today. having subordinates meet and communicate with a hostile government during an election in an effort to utilize their resources is also kosher. Cheating on your spouse? Hey, why even mention it? Boys will be boys. Falsely “reassure” Americans that an epidemic which killed over a million was a “hoax” by Democrats? Perfectly acceptable. Trying to convince the American people that their electoral system is rotten without evidence? Standard procedure, because it’s inevitable that many of your followers will believe it.

    Maybe more later. I’ve droned on long enough that probably few will have read this far anyway.

  38. Athos says:

    Oh, Anny, you clever little bot, you! You’re so adorable when you’re in over your head! Too bad you can’t read with comprehension or you wouldn’t have missed my “link” to the NY Times (you know, the old grey lady? The one that USED to be a newspaper?)
    I’m not sure that Alex Jones or “storefront”(whoever that is) referenced the NYT poll like I did, but there you go big fella! Who ya gonna trust if not the Times, eh? Surely Pinch wouldn’t lie to YOU, would he?

    Jeez, Rin. You aren’t using the deaths of people from a reaction to antibiotics as comparison to Joe Biden and Co lying about the Covid Vaccine, are you?

    Why is it so hard for these buffoons to admit they were wrong?

    And if you can’t find a video about the FBI targeting hymn singing, praying trespassers as the next wave of terrorist to be eradicated by our Homeland Security, you aren’t looking too hard. This all kicked off right after Dobbs was leaked (ain’t it a shame DOJ or FBI haven’t found that leaker yet, eh? And whatever happened to that fella that wanted to assassinate SC Justice Kavanaugh?)

    And please don’t tell me you agree with MSNBC Elise Jordan and believe a policeman was killed on Jan. 6? https://gazette.com/news/us-world/morning-joe-panel-shocked-after-pa-trump-voters-dont-buy-msnbc-jan-6-account/article_b9d70404-5d2a-5b28-8a14-e1b1520e7188.html
    Nor are you afraid that some half-naked doofus in Viking horns is gonna take over the country, are you? (although, he may do a better job than the current crop of corrupt nincompoops!)

    And you really need to get over your obsession with #45. Or is your reference to “cheating on your spouse” pertain to Kennedy and Clinton? And anyone that thinks the full court squash of the Tony Bobulinski story 1 month prior to the elections isn’t a form of voter suppression, shouldn’t get a seat at the grown ups table.

    When will ANY of those 51 former “intelligence” officials give up their source for saying the Hunter Laptop story was “Russian disinformation”?

    They can’t even do a Pinky Greid and admit “I lied but it worked, didn’t it??” (How’s that a blast from the past, eh?)

    And last (and probably least) Hillery used something called “BLEACH BIT” to sanitize her government computers (and also sledge hammers!) Are you comparing that to Trump having some stuff in boxes at Mar -a- Lago? (or was all the good stuff in his wife’s underwear drawer??)

  39. Rincon says:

    I’m not impressed with Hillary nor Biden and see no reason to defend them. Are you impressed by Trump?

  40. Athos says:

    I am. When you look at his accomplishments (and it was his first time in office) one can only dream of what we could have done if the Chinese hadn’t released the Wuhan Flu. Peace in the Middle East. Peace in N.Korea. Peace in Ukraine. Oil independence! Moving the Embassy to Jerusalem. Hospitals posting costs so we can shop around. Eliminated Obama Care tax penalty. DEREGULATION (actually, a decent start, we really need many more years but we were doing 8 old regulations gone for every 1 started) Banned the racist CRT from government programs. Withdrew from the Iran Nuclear Deal, and the Paris Climate Accords. Built 450miles of border wall and dramatically slowed down the surge of illegals to our country.

    His tax cuts provided me with more of my own money to enjoy. And the economy was surging until Kung Flu.

    And called out the hopelessly corrupt and totally anti American Main Stream Media, by naming them “Fake News”. And they never missed an opportunity to prove him right, did they?

    I don’t believe in a “One World Government” because the only way to make all equal, is to make all equally miserable. (See Russia in the good old USSR days, or Venezuela or Cuba today) or even our very own public school system.

    Make America Great Again strike me as a worthwhile legacy to leave my children.

    How ’bout you, Rin?

  41. Trump has been all over the board for years. Yes, he did some correct things while in office, but he has a dangerous ego. He is a Trumpian, not a Republican.

  42. Anonymous says:

    Trump is evil.

    No good ever comes from evil.

  43. Athos says:

    Anny, why do you say Trump is evil? Anything specific you care to elucidate?

    And Thomas, your assessment of Trump is right on. His ego gets in the way of being an effective statesmen. But it also helps him do what is right against the cacophony of screaming leftist. And boy, do they ever screech and scream! (Loved moving the embassy in Israel! WW3 didn’t break out, did it?)

  44. Rincon says:

    Accomplishments??? My goodness, what rose colored glasses you’re wearing.

    Your praise of the embassy in Israel seems incongruous for someone who feels so strongly about illegal immigrants. Although I believe both Jews and Palestinians have a right to live there, I must point out that before 1948, the Jews were not at all welcomed by the people of Palestine, but were forced upon them by the colonial power ruling it. Technically legal, but ethically bankrupt.

    It’s true that we achieved oil independence (due to fracking, not Trump), until Trump’s inept handling of the demand drop for oil during the epidemic eventually caused oil to go as low as -$35.00 a barrel, forcing the oil companies to shut down their production or even go out of business.

    As for peace in the Mideast, you seem to have forgotten the war in Yemen, the continuation of Syria’s civil war, and the fact that Trump singlehandedly destroyed the Afghan army before handing the mess to Biden so that he could screw it up even more. Peace in North Korea? Kim Jong-un was launching missiles throughout Trump’s term while yanking his chain about any kind of agreement.

    Instead of calling it the elimination of a tax penalty for Obamacare, you could easily say that Trump brought socialism back to medicine. No, you don’t have to buy insurance, but you’ll still be insured at no charge, i.e., treated at no charge if you need care and cannot pay the bill.

    Yes, he withdrew from the Iran deal, but his “maximum pressure” was completely unsuccessful with Iran and Venezuela as well. And of course, China also shrugged off the so called pressure, swallowing Hong Kong and continuing to bully the world. To speculate, it’s a good thing Trump wasn’t President when Putin invaded Ukraine. Trump called the invasion “brilliant” at the time, and of course, would have continued to bicker with NATO instead of beating up on Russia’s as Biden did. Trump’s lack of response to Ukraine would have given a green light to China regarding Taiwan.

    It’s true that Trump reduced immigration to the U.S., to the point where a serious shortage of workers occurred, leading in part, to inflation. His tax cuts for the rich during good times contributed to our inflation today and added to the budget deficit. Take a look at his deficits vs Obama’s.

    You also forgot to mention the deaths of over a million Americans by a virus that Trump claimed was less lethal than the flu and would go away with time perhaps by April of 2020.

    This doesn’t even include the dozens of scandals, including his serious efforts to undermine the foundation of our country which is, as it turns out under the most scrutinized election in our history, one of the world’s best run voting systems.

  45. Athos says:

    Rin, it’s really hard to argue with someone that is so in tune with all the facts! How do you do it? Your sources seem impeccable …… but let me give you a little counter, ok?

    1) The Jewish nation has been around for a few millennium, would you agree? And I believe their traditional capitol has always been Jerusalem, yes? And what ever the reason, the Jewish state of Israel is located where it is, and Jerusalem is its capitol.
    Why wouldn’t we put our Embassy in Israel’s capitol? Trump did.

    2)Fracking. The free market at work. Biden shut it down and lives in the delusional world of our nation’s energy needs being met by wind and solar. Hence, $5/gal gas is a plus, not a minus, in Bidenworld. Except around election time.

    3)Abraham Accords

    4)Trump shouldn’t have insulted Jumping John McShamnesty. Two massive egos. Derailed the elimination of ObamaCare.

    5)Hong Kong returned to China in 1997. The crackdown has escalated in conjunction with the Wuhan flu and the Biden presidency.

    6)you can’t seriously suggest that allowing the surge of illegal immigration since the Biden Presidency, by some accounts over 5 million in less than 2 years, is a boon to our workforce. Really?

    7) Time will tell whether the lockdowns helped or hurt our nation. The data is in NOW that it totally screwed our children’s education, setting them back many years.
    And now it’s being floated out there to have an Amnesty for Covid mistakes. (The Atlantic) Em, hard pass. Let the chips fall where they may.

    8) That basement dwelling vegetable getting 81 million votes, with the upsurge of mail in voting and key states taking DAYS after Nov. 3 to declare Brandon the victor, raises serious questions. Added to the Soviet show trial, and the constant scream of “Election Deniers Bad!!” given by the same people that say Hillary and Stacy Abrams had THEIR elections stolen, is rich indeed. How about a little transparency?

    Who employed Ray Epps and how many undercover operatives of our nations legal system, attended the Jan. 6 kerfuffle?

  46. Fracking has been used since the Civil War. Practically ever well I worked on in the grease orchard in North Texas 50-plus years ago had been fracked.

  47. Rincon says:

    1) The “Jewish Nation” has been around for millennia, only it hasn’t been a dominant force in the land we today call Israel since about 70 AD. The Ottoman Turks controlled Israel/Palestine until World War I, when Britain gained control. During British rule, “Against the wishes of the Palestinians, the British facilitated Zionist settlement of Palestine by upholding liberal immigration policies and allowing Jewish mass immigration. The immigration caused a major demographic shift and alarmed the Arabs. In the census conducted in 1922 the population of Palestine was 763,550 of which 89 percent were Arabs and 11 percent Jews. By the end of 1947 the Jewish share of the population had risen to 31 percent.”

    2) “Biden shut it down. Can you specify any action which caused oil companies to foolishly refuse to invest? Foolishly, of course, since any company which had invested would have made huge profits by now.

    3) Trump deserves some credit for the Abraham Accords. How much is unknown. Most of the credit though, probably belongs to the UAR, Bahrain, and Israel. The fruit of the Abraham Accords may not be seen for years. Of course, since Conservatives only credit or blame the administration present when good or bad things happen, it may be improper of you to credit Trump since nothing has blossomed yet.

    4) We agree that Trump screwed up the Obamacare situation.

    5) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52765838

    More later…

  48. Athos says:

    1)Bible history, Rin. If you don’t believe, I pray that you will.

    2)Biden signed an executive order his first day in office to shut down the Keystone pipeline, yes? During the Biden/Trump debate, in 2020, this was the exchange:

    “Would you close down the oil industry?” President Donald Trump pressed just before their closing statements.

    “I would transition from the oil industry, yes,” Biden replied.

    Would that qualify as to why oil companies would be reluctant to invest in US oil exploration?

    3 & 4) I get it. You hate Trump. But the blame falls on McShamnesty because he didn’t screw Trump, he screwed us.

    5) so we’re in agreement the Hong Kong crackdown started in 2020 (or when the Wuhan Flu emerged)

  49. Rincon says:

    1) I guess I’m thinking that people shouldn’t be judged on what their ancestors did 2,000 years ago. It seems to me that if the Jews had the right to displace the Arab Palestinians in the 1920’s and ’30’s, then the American Indians would also have the right to reclaim all of their “ancestral sacred lands”.

    2) If your words about the oil companies are correct, then they badly need some consultants who know what they’re doing. Oil companies hardly had disastrous years under Clinton or Obama, who also wanted to transition from oil, nor did they enjoy huge profits during the George W and Trump years. As I said, many lost their shirts during Trump’s term.

    So, other than Keystone, which couldn’t have been built by now anyway, what did Biden do that crippled oil companies?

    3&4) I think we’ll have to just agree to disagree on this one, unless more information comes along.

    5) Yes, China’s most muscular crackdown came on June 30, 2020, when the election was 4 months away and when Trump had a reasonable chance of reelection.

    6) Since there are two job openings for every potential applicant, I would say that at this time, putting more (mostly legal) immigrants to work would help slow inflation.

    7) We agree that, especially once vaccines became available to all, kids should have been back in school nationwide. The lockdowns were so helter skelter that they accomplished little. Contrast with Taiwan or Japan, who both kept their kids in school and managed to keep a far lower death rate than ours.

    8) Great claims require great evidence. I have seen no evidence of significant electoral fraud in the 2020 election, despite hundreds of hand recounts, more than 50 court challenges and multiple attempts to pressure state legislatures and the state of Georgia in particular to dig up votes that to all appearances, simply did not exist. Have you? If so, please enlighten me.

  50. Athos says:

    1)I call BS, Rinny. The Jewish state was created in 1948. Why would the nations that defeated the Nazis feel compelled to give this particular group of people their land back, at the end of WW2? Does any possible reason present itself to you? And as to the “American Indian” who lived on this land prior to them? Do you condemn ALL lands that were taken over by invading forces throughout history, or just ours?

    2)You didn’t read (or research) Biden’s debate comment, did you? Are you saying that Biden doesn’t want a ban on fracking, coal plants or $5/gal gas?

    5 &8) Biden gathered 81 million votes. No way. If the Republicans gain control of Congress, maybe we CAN get to the bottom of this. But I’m not holding my breath waiting for that corrupt little man Garland to investigate any irregularities.

    6) Never said legal immigrants are the problem. How many immigrants are let into the country legally vs illegally over the last 20 months? Care to guess?

    That’s the problem.

    7) Trump wanted to open up in April. Protect the vulnerable (old people). Mirror Sweden. He faltered, but the DOCTORS in charge all said shut down (does the name Fauci ring a bell?) And of course, Biden hardly ever left his basement, did he? And that was Biden’s solution after becoming prez. Along with lying about “get the vaccine and you won’t get Covid or spread it” Never heard an apology from him about that miscue, did we? And all the people that continue to lose their jobs TO THIS DAY that don’t want the shot.

    I guess “my body my choice” only applies to leftist ideologues, eh?

  51. Athos says:

    Rin, good luck on election day. I have more evidence of Biden’s desire to do away with our fossil fuel economy.

    Wanna see it?

    Here it is!


    So when you want to argue against Joe Brandon expanding and prospering our country by releasing the fossil fuel supply, you’re gonna have to contend with ……


  52. Rincon says:

    1) Fact is, Britain rode roughshod over the Palestinians because Europe had a guilt trip over Jews. There had not been a Jewish nation there in almost 2,000 years.

    2)My comment on the lack of new drilling stands. Less drilling means more expensive oil, which means greater profits for the industry. Why would they drill more just to see the prices fall? Capitalism at its best!

    5&8) Are you claiming that only the party in power has the ability to monitor voting in this country? The Republicans are completely unable to find evidence because they are locked out everywhere?

    6) No guess. Do you have numbers? The point stands. We need more workers and immigrants are the only major source.

    7) Yes, Trump wanted to open up in April of 2020, except that he made no effort to organize a federal response of any kind. He threw it all into the laps of each states, creating an uncoordinated response, making any control such as that enjoyed by many other countries impossible. As for Biden’s “lie”, I’m amazed at how you can overlook the thousands of documented lies told by Trump, yet are totally condemning about a single statement which may not have been a lie at all when it was made and was at worst, an exaggeration. The vaccine was quite effective as evidenced by falling death rates. The virus mutated, making the vaccine less effective and the statement untrue later on.

    Biden’s words: “There is no more drilling. I haven’t formed any new drilling” I will agree than Biden is misstating himself. The words, There is no more drilling” are obviously false. No new drilling doesn’t mean that Biden forbade all drilling. He doesn’t have that power to do that. He just hasn’t opened up any additional government land. So what? Notice how the Washington Examiner chose to paraphrase rather than quoting him. Pure propaganda.

  53. Athos says:

    Clean up on isle 3!!
    1) Something cataclysmic happened in Jerusalem around 2,000 years ago. Can’t seem to remember just what it was? Can ya help a brother out, Rin?
    2) My comment on Joe ENDING drilling, fracking and oil exploration on US soil ALSO stands. Business needs to hedge their bets, and they are captive by the political climate. But why were they pumping out the gas and oil when Trump was Prez? Didn’t they want to make more money then??
    5 & 8) special measures were put in place JUST for the 2020 elections that not only vastly increased the vote, but utilized mail in ballots that rely on the “honor system” and are traditionally thought are the best way to cheat. Nevada legislature enacted mail in ballots into law and we had the same fiasco in this election. Florida, on the other hand, got rid of the blanket mail in ballots, required ID, and had the vote totals same day as the elections. They also had a Republican Gov that made sure to “shore up the integrity of their election process” and the results were dramatically different from my own state. Georgia did a very visible audit of their election. Many states, including Nevada, did not. Were Republs locked out? “to the victor go the spoils” and many in the Republican leadership circle hated Trump as much as you and anny!

    One more thing about Dem’s cheating…if you REALLY thought Trump was Hitler, Satan, Evil incarnate, etc, etc, wouldn’t you be JUSTIFIED in cheating to get him out (the ends justify the means)?? And not “you” personally, but Trump haters in particular?

    6) Interesting article on Joe Brandon’s declining LEGAL Alien numbers (green cards and such) Seems like those folks are declining. Wonder why that is??

    7)So Trump believes in Federalism, now, huh? Instead of dictating how all the states will act and squashing any rioting, looting hoodlums. Wonder what 234 year old piece of paper would have given him THAT idea?

    As to “paraphrasing” you DID watch the clip I put up, right? https://www.cnsnews.com/article/national/susan-jones/biden-no-more-drilling-were-going-be-shutting-these-plants-down-all

  54. Rincon says:

    Ah, you had me worried for a moment. This might be one of the longest threads I’ve seen. BTW, numbering is good. I’ll have to remember that.
    1) In 37 AD, the Romans pretty much destroyed Jerusalem. It was a minor town until Constantine rebuilt it in 335 AD or so, as a center for the Christian faith. The Muslims then conquered it in 638 AD. It stayed in their hands until 1o99 when the Crusaders captured it and killed most of the Muslims and Jews. And so on, and so on. According to Wikipedia, Jerusalem has been captured and recaptured 44 times (some before Christ), but Jews haven’t run it since before Roman times until 1948.
    2) I guess I want to see evidence that Joe ENDED drilling in the U.S. and that the absurdly low prices under Trump had no effect on oil investment. We might just have to agree to disagree on this one, because the only explanation I have for today’s high oil prices is the standard line from mainstream economists and media.
    5 & 8) So are you saying that cheating was encouraged by careless procedures in 2020, but that little evidence of actual cheating could be found?
    6) From your article: “But it is now clear that most of those additional visas will go unused and could be lost forever unless Congress decides to make them available to current-day green card applicants.”, and, “Immigrants from any one country cannot exceed 7% of the total number of immigrants who come to the United States… As a result, there is a backlog of hundreds of thousands of applications for immigrant visas filed on behalf of Mexican nationals by U.S. family members. There is a comparable backlog of applications filed on behalf of Indian nationals by U.S. employers.”
    Biden Administration? Sounds like Congress to me.
    7) A good example of a weak federal government and a bunch of squabbling, largely independent states would be the European Union. To me, one of our strengths is that we’re all Americans first. Loyalty to an individual state is secondary for most of us. It’s the opposite in Europe. Do you really think we should embrace states rights to make us more like Europe?

  55. Athos says:

    Thanks, Rin. Gives me a chance to put in writing what I’m cooking in my noodle.

    1)Here is deep question that was an absolute given when I was growing up (50s to 70s) and that was Christian principles civilized our societies and blessed us with economic growth and social reform. Was it perfect? Of course not. But I believe in that man that was crucified in Jerusalem 2000 years ago, fundamentally changed the world I know of, for the better.

    So what does that happen to do with Israel given their State and Jerusalem being recognized by our embassy? It honors God’s chosen people, the descendants of Abraham, of which, being in Christ, I am one.

    2)There will be fierce debate over dirty fossil fuel energy vs. new clean solar/wind energy. It seems suicidal to not use the greatest resources that produced our vast wealth and prosperity to make a lunatic hustler like Algore happy. Unlike the Republican Party elites, I take Joe, and Chuckie and Pocahontas at their word when they say they are gonna end fossil fuel use.

    5/6)What is wrong with eschewing the appearance of cheating by ending the bulk mailing of ballots? If someone WANTS to vote by mail, let them apply for a ballot, like we did prior to the Wuhan Flu. I’m going by memory from something I just read, so correct me if I’m wrong, but Joe Brandon received 66 million of his 81million votes, by mail. There is no way to prove that all Americans respected the “honor system”, but there is equally no way to prove there weren’t ballots filled out and dropped off by ballot harvesters insuring the defeat of the Evil Donald Hitler Trump. Can you see my point?

    6) The Executive branch is in charge of the Border and our security. Are you saying the Biden regime is doing a good job keeping mass illegals from flooding our nation? How about a definition of what you think a “good job” of border security entails?

    7) So you wanted Trump to act as a dictator and force the states to do his bidding? I’m sure that would have gone over like a lead balloon, but maybe you know something I don’t

  56. Athos says:

    And States didn’t actually squabble. Florida kept its state open and masks were optional, so Gretchen Witmer and AOC and other strong believers in lock down, frequently vacationed there (along with Prizter, your gov, right?) And of course, the press screamed “murderers! Anti-science, anti maskers”!
    Who got that right in the end?

    And it is my belief that Sizzleout lost his reelection bid in Nevada because we remembered what a totally illogical “lock down to stop the spread” tyrant he was. It’s a real shame that nitwit Gov in NJ didn’t get the boot last year over how he treated his “subjects”, but too many people are still voting for Bobby Kennedy’s Democrat, and it’s hard to re-examine until the pain of democrat policies gets too much.

    And there have been longer blogs, that lasted a long time. Just ask Tom!

  57. Rincon says:

    1) I can certainly understand your motivation, but I think it may be a touch misdirected. One of our founding principles is to not let the church run the country, but if the voters decide (through their elected officials), so be it. I’m a little more cautious, myself. If it was part of God’s plan to deny the Jews their country for 2,000 years, how can we be so sure that he suddenly wants to reverse the situation? His only command to to love him and each other, including those of other religions. In showing love for the Jews, we must be careful that we don’t deny love for the Palestinians, don’t you think? We are stuck with the situation created by Britain in the 20th century though. Seems to me that Jesus would counsel finding a way for the two peoples to coexist. On that basis, I think that it was unnecessary to move the embassy, but that your position is reasonable.

    2) And I take the Republicans’ word for it that they will continue to deny action of any kind at all. Am I correct that you believe the warming we are seeing is not man made?

    3) I think we can agree on not mailing out ballots to everybody and having people request mail in ballots instead. In order to find some cheaters after the fact, all that would have to be done is to contact voters whose ballots are suspicious and ask if they voted or not.

    5/6) I think both Trump and Biden have done a perfectly awful job with the border by refusing to adopt a reasonable compromise. I never had any objection to his wall other than it appeared to be financially wasteful, but to me, as part of a compromise, the cost would have been worth it. Part of a compromise would be to grease the rails on the court system to move illegals along ASAP, and to admit a much larger number of legal immigrants. Not all would have to be given citizenship. A guest worker program would be fine.

    7) If another nation invaded, would you also insist that the states do their own thing? COVID killed more Americans than any war we’ve ever had, so you think treating it with kid gloves was appropriate? Until Congress can act, the President has wartime powers. If Congress doesn’t like what he does, they have the power to stop him. So far as I’m concerned, whether an enemy invader is human or not isn’t the issue. Wartime powers should apply.

    We now have shown that we couldn’t stop a virus that killed over a million of us. How then could we stop a virus with say, ten times the fatality rate that kills young and old alike? We are logistically and psychologically unprepared to do battle with any organisms that come along. There will be worse, guaranteed.

    Our big mistake was to let 40,000 Americans stroll into our airports and then into unrestricted general circulation after getting off flights from China in early 2020. They came home because they were afraid of catching the virus over there. Surprise! They brought the virus with them. Who woulda thunk? Certainly not Trump. He called it a hoax by Democrats. I believe that every other nation that quarantined people in the first few weeks had a much lower death rate than us. Once the virus got loose, I think masks were worthwhile, but our lockdowns were so inconsistent as to be useless. The Japanese had done some good research on the virus in the beginning, but we refused to look at it and did precious little research on our own.

  58. Athos says:

    1)God bless

    2)I believe it is the heighth of arrogance to believe man causes global warming. I’m not too sure global warming is even a thing (just a made up huckster word and now part of a mega billion dollar business). To me, Rin, it’s the SUN. And warming is preferable to cooling given more people die of the cold than of the heat.

    5/6)agreed. The border wall would have been a bargain compared to what’s going on now, yes?

    7)National defense is the number 1 job of our government. It’s puzzling to me why more people aren’t up in arms over being stonewalled as to the origins of this Flu. And chief among the cover ups is soon leaving 50 years of government “service” aka Saint Fauci. When and if this ever comes out, we can certainly take corrective measures to insure this doesn’t happen again.

    I have a little different view of who brought the virus here. It seems like NYC was ground zero, and the first scary stuff I remember hearing about was the towns in Northern Italy that had seniors (ave. age 71) dropping like a bad “end of times” movie.

    But the goals were attained by Trump not getting elected and surprise! the vaccine was announce the week after the election.

    Something is rotten in Denmark!

  59. Rincon says:

    2) The height of arrogance is to assume without, evidence, that we don’t have to do anything at all. To say that the Earth may not be warming isn’t far from saying that the Earth is flat. Both views ignore extremely compelling evidence, although the flat Earthers do it out of stupidity; the global warming deniers do it because of their political bias.

    5/6) I think we mostly agree on immigration.

    7) And the price of gas dropped just before the 2022 mid terms, except it kept dropping for several weeks afterward. Funny that lottery winners never question their prize because they consider it too unlikely to believe. Same thing about God. Every time something good and unusual happens to a Bible thumper, it was divine intervention, but thousands of people dying in a natural disaster….well, that’s different.

  60. Athos says:

    Rinny, what can we do that will affect any kind of change that won’t be overshadowed by India and China wanting to prosper and grow? I’ve heard nothing other than pay poor countries trillion$ and that speaks to me of a con game (not to mention all the green energy boondoggles that have been funded by the US taxpayer!) I’ll start taking this man-made global warming scare more serious WHEN those prophets of doom start behaving as if they believe their own rhetoric. Fair enough? It really seems quite elitist to me.

    What affect on the price of gas did Joe Brandon have by emptying out our oil reserves? (timing it to the midterms)??? Too much gov red tape bogging down our supply lines for what possible benefit? A few more polar bears won’t die in the heat?

    I didn’t get your lottery story. I thought 7) was about the Wuhan flu. Your reference to “Bible thumper” is quite clear, tho. You don’t believe in God or His son Jesus, do you? That’s a shame. Even so, Christian principles were the foundation of our Western Culture and Progress. Our societies are more civil because of it. And we’re not in a totalitarian regime like China, who’s civilization predates ours by millennium.

    And for that, I am quite happy.

  61. Rincon says:

    Sorry to take so long. Somehow, your message didn’t appear on my screen for a few days, so I sort of stopped looking.

    A devout Christian was caught in a flood, and the waters were rising to the level of his porch. The Sheriff pulled up his small boat to the porch and invited the man to come aboard. The man replied, No, I’m staying with my home. God will protect me. Soon, the water rises so that the man has to go out onto his roof. The Sheriff comes by again and urges him to get in. Same reply: “God will protect me.” Well, he drowns and when he goes to St. Peter, he asks him why, as he is a devout Christian, God chose not to save him. St. Peter replied, “Who do you think sent the Sheriff?”

    The scientists have given us ample warning and, like the Sheriff, have provided a solution to the problem. Like the man in the parable, we ignore them because we’re looking for a different message.

    As for Christianity itself, it is not synonymous with the Church. I consider most (not all) blood and thunder Bible thumpers to be pseudo Christians, akin to the Scribes and Pharisees of yore. They frequently forget, in particular, Jesus’ words, “He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone.”, and instead, are busy casting stones right and left. Jesus had an important message when he overturned the tables of the moneychangers and condemned the Scribes and Pharisees, who were, on the surface, very religious. They were rule makers, who took advantage of their positions, and ignored the only commandment, the Golden Rule. I see a lot of so called Christians in politics do exactly that today. They wave the Bible, but their actions and rhetoric often are devoid of love.

    The meaning of my lottery reference is that we humans often are quite willing to believe that very unlikely occurrences are real when they benefit us, but are often skeptical to an extreme of anything unlikely which goes against our grain. Global warming is a case in point. The evidence for manmade warming is overwhelming, but half of us refuse to believe it, looking for the equivalent of loopholes in the science. I remember clearly that Conservatives in the ’90’s were seriously claiming that the Earth wasn’t even warming. They said the temperature measurements were inaccurate and trotted out all kinds of sophomoric arguments, which were very convincing to lay people. And then, when the science was proven accurate all along, they repeatedly claimed that the Earth had stopped warming around 2005 or so, using similar vacuous arguments. Thomas repeated their drek at the time. Now that their arguments have been demolished, their followers are still ready to follow these two time losers like the Pied Piper, because they say what many want to hear. You’re actually a little behind the curve. Most Conservatives admit that manmade global warming is real and significant, but claim that prevention is more expensive than adaptation, as if it was an either/or situation.

    I agree that using our Strategic Petroleum Reserve was strictly for appearances, UNLESS we were smart enough to have overfilled the Reserve when oil was $40/bbl. and then sold it at over $100. Nothing wrong with turning a profit.

  62. Athos says:

    All right, Rin! Nice reply, and you really have endeared me to you, even though your arguments are wrong! So, without further ado…….

    Love your flood story. The moral I got was “Trust the Lord, but use your common sense (cause God gave it to you!)” As to “overwhelming…the science was proven accurate…their arguments have been demolished…” you and I are listening to different scientists. My guys are saying the sun has more to do with global warming than carbon dioxide and noxious gasses (and volcanoes spew out a whole lotta bad stuff that possibly causes cooling) AND natural gas is cleaner than renewables AND more people die of cold than heat every year SO we need to power up our energy with the best means possible and keep installing more A/C units and more efficient HVAC to keep us humans cozy and comfy.


    1) Your scientist won’t acknowledge (at least I haven’t heard it) that without China and India on board, all our cuts won’t amount to doodie squat but serious hurt on US citizens.
    2)Your front men for this Green Energy Panic are still buying 2nd homes on beach front property, with MASSIVE carbon footprints which leads me to suspect they don’t believe their own preaching! (Private jet flying, anyone? )

    However, you did touch on something very dear to me that I’d much rather discus and that is Christianity. Elections will come and go, if fact, so will empires, and even this old world, but Christ is eternal, and so are our spirits so it behooves us to keep an eye on what’s really important in this world.

    I will admit, I haven’t always acted with love on many things I’ve said on Tommy’s blog. And for this, I sincerely apologize. Getting caught up in the winning and beat downs etc feeds that stupid ego of mine that is definitely anti-Christ. But I’m just a work in progress and I do feel I’m heading in the right direction.

    Your “cast the 1st stone” reference made me laugh out loud! Thank you, Rin. You may have missed the part that this was a trap set by the Hebrew Church leaders (said “Scribes and Pharisees of yore”) because the Law (Leviticus 20:10) stated that she must be stoned to death. Roman law forbid the Hebrews from executing anyone, so had Jesus told them to stone her, they would turn him in to the Romans! And if he said “don’t stone her” they would have proclaimed him a false teacher. His answer was brilliant (and he told the woman, after everyone had left, that He who WAS without sin, didn’t condemn her, “Go and sin no more!”

    The Pharisees and Sadducees were a little more than “were rule makers”, they were trying to follow the law of Moses (which is impossible because we’re all born into sin and therefore, sinners in need of God’s grace. And there has always been a “righteous pride” that is in itself, the main #1 sin of Adam which brought forth the fall of Man. So it’s not exactly shocking that men continue to repeat this original sin over and over again, generally with the same rotten result!

    We are in a battle for the soul of our nation right now, Rin. Just because some Bible waving Christian in politics doesn’t act in love, doesn’t negate the fact that God is Love. And the heart of every Man is created in the image of God, to see that, is to be able to establish the very humanity of brotherhood this country is straining to achieve. I believe in Moral order. That doesn’t mean I’ve acted like it, I’ve been on the other side of “I want that and I want that now” which frequently led me to heartache.
    The Declaration speaks of “the Laws of Nature and Nature’s God” and the Hebrew God, along with His Son Jesus, fit this description perfectly. Without “Nature’s God” why be moral? Why free the slaves? Why not treat women as chattel? Why not let our lusts win out and to the victor go the spoils?

    I don’t think that is in our American DNA, Rin. I think we’ve been blessed by God and will continue to do so, if we honor Him.

    And it wouldn’t hurt to have people read and study the Bible, either!

    G’night! It’s late

  63. Rincon says:

    Sorry to take so long. I got busy and then went on vacation. I hope you’re still there.
    1) I suspect China and India are saying the exact same thing about us. While Conservatives here use them as an excuse to do nothing, we certainly give them a great excuse to do nothing as well. Mutual aiding and abetting.
    2) Whether “our front men” are saints or sinners has nothing to do with the truth (or invalidity) of the arguments. Mother Nature will go right on regardless of our words.

    I really like the stories about Jesus’ handling of the traps set for him by the leaders. The Old Testament did prescribe stoning, but it also prescribed the sacrifice of young bulls. Jesus came along and changed the rules. Despite the fact that the Pharisees, etc. were following rules of the Old Testament, he seemed to have a low opinion of them, as told in Matthew 23:13-26: “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves. “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘Whoever swears by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obliged to perform it.’ Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that sanctifies the gold? And, ‘Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, he is obliged to perform it.’ Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift? Therefore he who swears by the altar, swears by it and by all things on it. He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells in it. And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel! “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.”

    Did you make it this far? Hope so. I think Jesus was condemning them for following Biblical rules to their own advantage while ignoring the Golden Rule. I see parallels today with some Conservatives.

  64. Athos says:

    Rinny, are you pulling my chain? 1) What a hopelessly naive thing to say! You better never come to Vegas with your hard earned cash with that type of “I’ll go first so you can follow” mentality!
    China and India (as well as Africa) are going to harness all the energy they can to increase their wealth and comfort, don’t you see? And man has been a positive force for nature, not a negative one. You really should take an hour and half of your time and listen to Jordan Peterson “The Great Climate Con” with Alex Epstein https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDWq7-eP5sE if for no other reason than to understand why so many of us see this as a con.

    2)Right you are! Reality is true (and certainly not subjective) but it must give you SOME pause that your heroes are hopeless hypocrites, yes? (And in the case of Lurch John Heinz Ketchup, brazen beyond belief!!)

    I did follow you thru. Couldn’t decide if you were in Matthew 23 or Luke 11. And He did ream those that were charge of the spiritual wellbeing of the people. He had some very pointed things to say about leading the little children astray, didn’t he?

    That reminds you of conservatives, eh? Interesting. Kinda reminds me of Matthew 7:5! But being this close to the celebration of the blessed birth of our Savior, I’m sure you’re operating out of the Light given to you by God.

    Merry Christmas, one and all!

  65. Thomas Mitchell says:

    From a recent column in the morning paper: “A single farmer today can feed around 10 times the number of people as could a single farmer in 1940. In 1960, a hectare of land produced about 1.3 tons of grain annually. Today, a hectare of land produces more than 4 tons.

    “Malthus believed that the Earth provides resources. Earth provides materials. Human ingenuity turns those materials into resources. So long as there is human ingenuity, there will always be resources.” https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/commentary-the-malthusian-contradiction-2696340/

  66. Athos says:

    It’s more entertaining to push doom and gloom, but mankind is exponentially better off today than 100 or 200 years ago. My dad didn’t have a toilet in the house till he was 11, and now I have 3! And most Americans aren’t dying from Smallpox because we eradicated it in ’78. (2 Presidents had it) And who hears about polio, malaria (many presidents) or even TB?

    I guess the Headline : ” 138,000 people lifted out of poverty TODAY!” isn’t as sexy as “AOC Says Earth Will End in 12 Years!!” Read all about it!

  67. Rincon says:

    Ah, we have a mutual excuse society. We point to China, India and the third world, saying that we should do nothing because they will do nothing as well. China, India, and the third world of course, can then say just the converse. A great recipe for deflecting all responsibility from all parties involved.

    Your logic about faith in scientists also appears to be contradictory. You have tremendous faith in the ability of scientists to solve any, and I mean ANY problem regarding resources that might possibly come along, but when the scientists tell you how to solve a specific problem you tell them that their solution is unacceptable and that therefore, the scientists are wrong, and that the problem doesn’t even exist. You both might want to consider revisiting the parable about the Sheriff and the nutty Christian in the flood.

  68. Athos says:

    Oh Rinny, you totally missed my point. Please LOOK AT THE DATA! (because believe it or not, that’s what scientists USED to do!) As nations get richer, and aren’t worried about what they’re gonna eat today (or not going to be EATEN, today) they can then start reforesting, farming more efficiently, feed the masses more effectively.

    Look how far we’ve come in the last 100 years! I remember the yellow skies of LA in the 70s. It is SO much better now and the population (and autos) have exploded since then. Natural gas is a godsend and cleaner than almost anything, WHEN YOU COMPARE THE COST! Because, believe it or not, our children are NOT as rich as we are, and shouldn’t be asked to sacrifice to the altar of Gaia to appease some Utopia dreaming boomers!

    Please check the data and stop with the doom and gloom. Wind and Solar can’t cut it in today’s day and age. And putting arbitrary carbon goals will only cause severe suffering by those who are poorer than us.

  69. Rincon says:

    I think doom and gloom is saying that wind and solar can’t cut it. They clearly are doing just that. China is a good example, but Denmark is better. One third of their energy consumed is now renewable – not just electricity, but all energy (wind and solar account for over half of all electricity). Have you heard any disaster stories about the wind stopping and the sun going away? Their stated goal is 100% by 2050. I don’t put much stock in goals, but Denmark reached their 2020 goal by 2017, which lends them a fair amount of credibility. According to Wikipedia, “Denmark often produces more electricity from windpower than the entire country requires and will export it for sale or for storage in hydroelectric dams in Norway and Sweden. Occasionally electricity prices turn negative for producers when there is a glut of electricity production and lack of demand abroad as well. One result of this has been the growth of electric boilers being installed in district heating plants.[29] When there is an excess of electricity the plants can use cheap electricity to heat the hot water instead of finite bio or fossil fuels.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Denmark
    Not too shabby so far. BTW, they have zero problems with the cutoff of Russian oil and gas. Of course, fossil fuels have problems associated with them that people with fossilized thinking (pun intended 🙂 don’t even see. In particular, they lead to roller coaster economics. Every recession since WW II has been preceded by a sharp upturn in fossil fuel prices. If renewables did that to the economy, you would be screaming, but for fossil fuels, it’s just par for the course.
    I agree though, that arbitrary carbon goals are a poor way to manage this issue. Simply removing world wide fossil fuel subsidies might be all it takes, but conservatives just won’t address that. Why not?
    Our scientists have done yeoman’s work to get us where we are today. They continue to serve our interests, but you now choose to denigrate their abilities – You’re smarter than them, are you? They can’t always pull a rabbit out of a hat. Some of their findings require hard work, such as overcoming air and water pollution. I remember Republicans screaming that clean air and water would bankrupt us, until Nixon created the EPA. Now, they say the same thing about global warming. Why are you so sure they’re right this time when they were so wrong before?

    In case I don’t get back to this for a bit, Happy Holidays to you and Thomas.

  70. Athos says:

    Denmark (population 5.8million-like the Dallas-Ft.Worth area) gets the bulk of their energy from bioenergy (you know -Ethanol, Methane, wood, etc). Biomass energy is almost as clean as natural gas! And for a slightly more populous country (say….England or Germany) they just cut down the forests and burn wood! And prepare to let granny freeze to death.

    As to fossil fuels roller coaster prices EVEN AT THEIR HIGHEST PRICE, they’re still CHEAPER than wind, solar, and unicorn farts. I’m not the one denigrating scientist, Rin. It’s people that want to virtue signal the Earth’s gonna die cause I drive my SUV, and then go drive their OWN SUV, or fly on their own private jet, or live in their own 10,000sq.ft. humble abode, and lecture us peasants that we should do without.

    Third world countries are only going to give you the middle finger when you deny them the right to become prosperous (like we did!) They will sacrifice outdoor pollution and cough away until they get rich enough, and have food sufficient to stop worrying, and THEN they’ll worry about the environment. Our modern gas stoves have made indoor pollution a thing of the past. When you check out the 3rd world huts that burn word or peat or manure to cook indoors, the atmosphere is thick. And that hurts people Rin. Why do you hate people?

    Our REAL scientists are looking at THE DATA and seeing how your solar, wind boondoggle is prohibitive. They just found some Nevada flower that will prevent mining of lithium (you’re batteries are needing that element, right?) Why don’t you admit you’re a disciple of Paul R.Ehrlich and are disappointed he totally missed all his over population dooms-day predictions?

    Why don’t we go after the low hanging fruit, continue with the natural gas savings, lower our cost of living, and increase our wealth having the next gen come up with a REAL solution to our energy problems, not this snake oil, government subsidy scam you’re promoting today? Deal?

  71. Rincon says:

    Thomas: I have just entered my second reply and it has vanished just as my first one did. This is a test

  72. Rincon says:

    OK, that stuck. Any idea what happened to the other two?

  73. Rincon says:

    According to this article on Denmark’s biomass energy, “Biogas is produced by anaerobic digestion of organic material such as manure, sewage sludge and organic waste”
    So in what way is this less “clean” than natural gas?

  74. Rincon says:

    4th and 5th replies disappeared also.

  75. Athos says:

    Could be Santa is keeping you from joining the “naughty” list!

    In all serious, Rin. It’s hard for me to believe that a smart person like you, would fall for this “green” scam. I understand Gore, and Kerry. They’re profiting mightily from the fears of the great unwashed.

    And our media, academia and art world (movies included) are sooo corrupt it’s disgusting. Where are the virtuous? Where are the Godly? As Plato once said, “who will watch the watchers?” (rough translation)

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