Does NV Energy think its customers are this gullible?

Can I get all my power from the Reid Gardner coal-fired power plant in Moapa? (Photo by Kent Harper)

Here is the lede on an Associated Press story posted on several television station websites in northern Nevada:

“Northern Nevada customers of the state’s largest utility now have the option of getting all their electricity from renewable sources.”

The story goes on to say NV Energy has announced that customers can opt to get 50 percent or 100 percent of their electricity from renewable resources, though sadly this planet saving service is not yet available in southern Nevada.

But this “green” program will cost you some green because green energy costs more to generate. The AP tells us a typical residential customer using 746 kWh a month will have to pay an additional $15.70 a month to get half of the home’s power from renewables, while 100 percent will cost $31.40 more.

It turns out those new smart meters must be really, really smart. If a power line runs down my street, and I participate in this green program but my neighbor doesn’t, how does it know which clean electrons to deliver to my house and which dirty ones to deliver to my neighbor.

Will NV Energy come up with a billing system in which I can opt to buy only cheaper power from coal-fired plants while they last?

A press release on the NV Energy website perpetrates this hoax further.

“Many customers, big and small, have expressed an interest in buying more renewable energy. This gives them a new way to do that. This option will be especially helpful for those who want to be greener, but did not have easy options that suited their circumstances, such as renters and students. This new program is as simple as going to the NV Energy website and signing up,” declares Bobby Hollis, the executive in charge of NV Energy’s renewable energy programs with an apparently straight face.

The upcharge amounts to an additional 4.2 cents per kWh.

The press release then switches from saying customers would be “buying” green energy to saying they would be “investing” in it — perhaps a bit more accurate term. NV Energy’s current green energy mix in northern Nevada is 85 percent geothermal, 10 percent solar and 5 percent hydroelectric energy. The company was required to “invest” in this green power by law.

The press release continues:

“Hollis said that customers who select one of the NV Green Energy options will be helping develop new renewable energy projects in Nevada sooner than would occur if renewable energy was only being used to meet the minimum requirements of Nevada’s renewable energy law. At present, 18 percent of the electricity produced in Nevada is required to come from renewable energy. Nevada law requires that 25 percent of the total must be from renewable energy sources by 2025.  Renewable energy purchased by customers participating in the NV Green Energy rate will add to that amount and require more renewable energy use in Nevada.”

So if you would like to make a donation to NV Energy’s future owner, Warren Buffett, go to NV Green Energy Choice and sign up.

40 comments on “Does NV Energy think its customers are this gullible?

  1. Steve says:

    This lets people vote with their wallets. It’s a good thing.

    What I want to see is the numbers. The results. The facts. How many are signing up and what are the income levels by percentage?
    I predict we will never know the answers. We will have to wait and I suggest not holding your breath.

    OTH scams like the Carbon Fund have suckered a bunch of true believers so far.

  2. Vernon Clayson says:

    Not mentioned is that the energy required in southern Nevada includes 12 or 13 of the largest hotels in the world plus dozens/hundreds of lesser sized establishments and the majority of the state’s population. No one, not even Harry Reid, pretends windmills and solar panels will ever be sufficient to power this part of the state. Most of those subsidized “green” companies take bankruptcy before the windmills need lubrication and the panels need washing down. Fire up the coal plants, most of the installations will join the remnants of rusting mining machinery in Goldfield as part of our scenery in a very few years.

  3. What a frikking hoax…”donation” to Warren Buffet by paying higher prices per KWH is same as political contribution to the socialist democrats and Obama Bin Lyin’ (besides “electricity going thru the smart meter is FUNGIBLE”, how do u know what u r using is green power: it’s a “feel good” program ?)

    My 2014 Republican primary election GUBERNATORIAL OPPONENT, the green freak el Governor hermanito (bro) “senor BS” (initializing Brian SANDOVAL), is getting tons of political contribution from Mr Buffet.

    Therefore, to those of you conservative voters out there, I sez “REJECT & DUMP” the liberal SANDOVAL and “CHOOSE & ELECT” the Tea Party Voice, as well as the Conservative Choice, for Governor of Nevada in the GOP primary !!!

  4. Steve says:

    Another great scam.

    They claim to buy renewable energy in the same amount as you use. Then they pay your electric bill and tack on 2 cents per 1000kwh and send you the bill. They compete with NV Energy (or your own power company) by selling the credits to you!

    Bottom line is you still pay more but its a little less more than NV Energy so, in the new math systems libs are using today, you are saving money!

    And they are so cute, showing a picture of the place your energy was made…. 🙄

  5. Wendy Ellis says:

    Steve, I say, make them get it directly from those “clean” sources if they want to feel righteous. Segregate reliable, always on, coal, gas, and nuclear sources from wind & solar. If this happened, people would notice when they had no juice. What a scam. And, we are subsidizing it.

  6. Steve says:

    Remember Jerry Moonbeam announced California would import no renewable power at all? California would build all of its own, thank-you Harry. Now go away and take your Chinese solar panels with you. Then Laughlin takes its land back.

    Well…..the San Onofre nuke is shut down and Moonbeam is real quiet about his state importing electricity…..from Arizona.
    Turns out Arizona only has exportable energy due to their coal fired plants. ( I love Irony)
    At least its not green power, so good ol’ Gov Moonbeam is half way there.

    This means California is increasing its carbon footprint and not by a small amount either.
    Maybe someone should direct Governor Brown to
    Where he can “offset” the states use of Arizona’s coal power with tons of money. On top that their rates have increased as a result. Again, in an ironic twist, money somehow changes the amount of pollution output by those coal plants…by supporting projects that were going to happen anyway!


  7. Wendy Ellis says:

    Steve, I sent an e-mail to “pear-energy” to ask them if they would need to install a separate line to my house. After all, I would not want to pay more to reduce my carbon footprint, if I were actually using dirty electricity.

    California could bail themselves out of their financial woes, if they took advantage of their oil and gas reserves. Can people really be this stupid? YES THEY CAN.

  8. Steve says:

    Hope you have a strong spam filter, Wendy.

  9. Steve says:

    That was before Jerry Brown won his new term. He’s stuck with the contract.

    My snark remains intact! :mrgreen:

  10. Wendy Ellis says:

    I called the CPUC awhile back, and they said that these were “pilot programs.” Gov. Sandoval is very keen on selling renewables to CA. I attended the “public” meetings of the NSOE’s NEITF for about 18 months. Including the conference call meetings. Their mission was to create a business case for NV to sell RE to CA. Hired a consultant and everything. Then the Stakeholders didn’t like what the consultant’s report said, and added their own opinions. There were only two actual members of the public who attended those NEITF meetings: I and one other person. It goes without saying that they did not like what we had to say on the subject. Our tax dollars at work…Sometimes you have to be snarky 🙂

  11. Steve says:

    Can’t help but wonder how our popular governor feels about CA importing Coal power from AZ…

    Oh! That hast’a hurt.

  12. Wendy Ellis says:

    Can’t find much anymore about the NSOE’s New Energy Industry Task Force (NEITF) mentioned above. Really have to dig. The thing is, CA needs electricity that is “always on.” The solar and wind just don’t cut it. Our point at the meetings was, “Why would CA want to buy RE from NV? They want to build their own.” We even contacted Gov. Brown’s office about it. What started out as a scheme to create a business case to sell RE to CA, ended up as a lame deal for a “mutually beneficial” arrangement. CA wanted to pawn off their RE on NV. God knows who will be stuck paying for transmission lines. 😀

  13. Wendy Ellis says:

    Oops Steve, guess the cat is out of the bag now…gonna have to spread it around LOL

  14. Steve says:

    This is great….Harry chasing NV Energy to shut doe Reid Gardner? The majority owner decided to not renew its contract…..which expired in 2013.
    This means Harry was full crap while trying to make it look like he was being the big bad ass. And maybe taking a stab at California for not buying his Chinese solar power.

    From inside the Washpo article is a link to KQED

    2. Reid Gardner Generating Plant – Nevada
    Total Capacity: 612 MW

    California’s Department of Water Resources owns more than 67% of this plant (183 MW). According to the DWR, Reid Gardner supplies more than 18% of the agency’s power. Its contract expires in 2013, and DWR has said it will not renew the agreement.
    In 2007, the Environmental Integrity Project rated Reid Gardner Generating Plant as the nation’s dirtiest coal plant in terms of CO2 emissions. (3,500 lbs of CO2 emitted per megawatt-hour, compared with an average of 2,000 lbs.)

  15. Steve says:

    And this raises another question.

    Who is really the responsible party the tribe is suing over that coal ash?

  16. Wendy Ellis says:

    The Moapa Band are total tools. As reported by Mitch:
    It has not even been proved that Reid Gardner is the deadly killer of Native Americans it’s been made out to be.

    I just got through reading the “dirty secret” link you cite above. This is why we have SB123: so that NVE/MidAmerican can use rate payer dollars to build gas-fired plants far over the capacity needed in NV. So they can sell to the CA market. I sent it to the BCP. The PUCN still has to sign off on the merger/sale (Docket #13-07021). I think the hearing is on the 18th. Comment period ended on Nov. 1.

  17. Steve says:

    That all makes Jerry Brown not such a sucker. He won’t buy renewable but he will quietly allow the import of fossil generated power.

    This way he exports the dirty power generation while claiming to be building all the clean green plants California could ever want.


  18. Wendy Ellis says:

    No, Moonbeam isn’t a sucker. But he is a leftist. He wants to export the expensive renewables because CA has overbuilt these inefficient, intermittent sources on a “clean energy” platform BUT, there are laws in the state which require uninterrupted, always-on sources for all customers. So he has to purchase them from somewhere. Up until now, there are cheap coal-fired sources. But that is not PC.

    CA says, “Hey, we want to buy, but it has to be “clean,” and it has to be uninterrupted. It looks bad for him with the green energy crowd if it’s from coal-fired sources–and REALLY bad for him if there are brownouts and blackouts due to the intermittent nature of solar and wind which simply cannot supply the demand. There are laws and regulations which require uninterrupted supply for commercial and residential customers.

    Power companies don’t like having to supply residential, it’s a hassle–but it’s required as a condition of being handed an exclusive market. This is why deregulation won’t work: There is no incentive for power companies to come to NV and serve residential customers.

    As for TOU pricing, people need their A/C more when it’s hot, not at 4am. Smart meter/smart grid and demand side management is a total money grab, all to accommodate the RE industry. Even special rates for electric vehicles! There are millions of those on the road, eh?

  19. Steve says:

    As electric vehicles do grow those special rates will evaporate.
    And they are on a growth path now. Selling exclusively to fleet customers, Via Motors is leading the way. Once established they will begin selling to private parties. They have a plant in Mexico near the GM plant that supplies the chassis Via uses. They build full size trucks, vans and SUV’s. PRoving you don’t have to drive tiny little toys to “go green”. I like the daily use with no gas in a full size pickup.

    TOU worked for me this year. I spent less (over last year) and was able to see clearly what I need to have available for the hot months. And you don’t have to give up the garage fridge, park the car outside for a few hours to let the engine cool off.

  20. Winston Smith says:

    Hey guys, doncha realize that Obama secretly signed an executive order a coupla years back declaring that electrons come in three colors, blue, red and green, just like quarks? Those green electrons are created only by renewable energy sources, the red are from evil fossil fuels, and the blue from extraterrestrials. The order also mandated that all household appliances built after 2019 function only on green or blue electrons.

    War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength, Barry Soetoro is BS

  21. Steve says:

    Winston you need to add :mrgreen: to those.


  22. Winston Smith says:

    With this administration, I thought Absurdity/Sarcasm was already the default setting.

  23. Wendy Ellis says:

    Steve, I have had a reply from “Pear Energy.” I’d like to send it to you, but don’t know how to do that. These people really believe we are idiots.

  24. Steve says:

    Let me guess. They told you electrons mix. Clean ones and dirty ones are indistinguishable so what they do is guarantee the amount you use is equal to the amount they buy from green sources in your name. Of course this is all good for you and it only costs you 2 cents for the first 1000kwh…1.5 thereafter…

    They are looking for suckers and those are born every second.

    Send it to Tom. He has my email address in his archive.

  25. Rincon says:

    Just because people want more energy during the day doesn’t mean that it doesn’t cost more to provide. TOU pricing has always made sense; we just didn’t have the meters to measure it until recently.

    The greatest benefit of electric cars will be to help get us off foreign oil.

  26. Steve says:

    “The greatest benefit of electric cars will be to help get us off foreign oil.”

    Wrong. The greatest benefit of electric vehicles will be the ability to do anything gas vehicles do and do it without gas.

    Meanwhile I will accept daily use without gas and heavy use with gas as a trade off and stepping stone. See Via Motors link above.

  27. Rincon says:

    Wrong? Tell me then, what is the great benefit of “doing it without gas”?

  28. Athos says:

    The same reason financially literate people do anything, Rin.

    It saves them money. (you know, costs less to operate)

  29. Steve says:


    We have a winner! And Athos takes the prize!

    Rincon’s is about number three. Number two is cleaner urban air.

    Thing is, Rincon, the USA will continue to import oil to manufacture those things we make with crude other than gas. Its a little known fact that included in our “over all oil exporter” status are those very products. They tend to zero out the imports and make it appear the USA is exporting more oil. (product) search it out, there were news stories about 6 months or so ago.

  30. Rincon says:

    The first and only reference I checked claims that: “…electric ars will at least in the near term, be sold on superior performance instead of superior all-in lifetime economics.”
    Are you sure they save money?

    Cleaner urban air is likely only if the electricity isn’t generated by coal upwind. In addition, there would be a major impact only if electric vehicles are sold on a massive scale. Even with gas generation, the change in air pollution if we made 20% of our cars electric would be almost negligible, while the same 20% would reduce our dependence on foreign oil by more than half.

  31. Steve says:

    It only pencils out if they are purchased outright at present. Your link details current tiny little toy cars not worthy of any more than commuting.

    I see Via doing it right by building full size trucks, vans and SUV’s for fleets first. This gets a solid customer base that will come back for more. Once in place and stable, Via will offer their products for sale to the general public.

    If it goes as they discussed on video they should be able to compete on price with today’s full size luxury SUV’s and heavy duty pickups.

    At that point the money would certainly pencil out.

  32. Rincon says:

    I’m certainly anxious for electric cars to become more economical than gas powered ones. Although the electrics don’t pay for the roads in gas taxes, the gas powered ones don’t pay for all the foreign policy headaches they cause. It almost evens out.

  33. Steve says:

    When that happens road taxes are going to be a hassle but will be much smaller than the price of gasoline.

    And fear not, something else will fill the foreign policy void. Humans are very predictable and will find something else to fight about.

  34. Rincon says:

    Knowing this country, yes, but lots of advanced countries haven’t had a war in decades. If nothing else, the defense industry needs a war to make more money.

  35. Steve says:

    It’s easy to avoid war when many of those other advanced countries rely on the USA for their military needs.

    Jus sayin’

  36. Rincon says:

    Sometimes we agree, Steve.

  37. Steve says:

    i’m opinionated, not contrary… 😉

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