Stick a sock in it!

Thank goodness we don’t live in a democracy.

A recent survey by the Campaign for Free Speech found that fully 51 percent of voting-aged Americans agree that the First Amendment goes too far in allowing hate speech and should be updated to reflect the current culture of supercilious sensitivity. Only 42 percent disagreed and only 24 percent strongly disagreed. Sadly, of those aged 18-34 fully 59 percent agreed.

Adding insult to injury, 57 percent agreed that the government should be able to take action against newspapers and TV stations that publish content that is biased, inflammatory, or false. Only 35 percent disagreed. Again, 63 percent of those aged 18-34 agreed.

And a vast majority don’t really understand what the First Amendment really means for free speech. That’s because 79 percent agreed with this statement: “The First Amendment allows anyone to say their opinion no matter what, and they are protected by law from any consequences of saying those thoughts or opinions.” No, government can’t do anything about your free speech, but you can be fired, ostracized, kicked out of clubs, churches and schools. There are consequences.

Further, 48 percent think hate speech should be against the law, compared to only 31 percent who disagree and an amazing 21 percent who don’t know. Of those who agree hate speech should be illegal, 54 percent think the punishment should include possible jail time.

Unfortunately, responses were not broken down by political party.

James Madison on democracies:

A pure Democracy, by which I mean a Society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the Government in person, can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by a majority of the whole; a communication and concert result from the form of Government itself; and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party, or an obnoxious individual. Hence it is, that such Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives, as they have been violent in their deaths.




19 comments on “Stick a sock in it!

  1. Anonymous says:

    So I’ve read you defending the nominal president and his threats to revoke broadcast licenses from various companies because he didn’t like them reporting what he said. I’ve read you defend a SC court justice who begged someone to bring a challenge to the First Amendment because he claimed the Sullivan case was wrongly decided and libel laws need to be changed. I’ve read you defend white supremists that say…most anything BUT SOMEHOW the people that conducted and participated in this survey, are worthy of being attacked because they expressed their opinions.


  2. Robert S. Smith says:

    For a semi literate dude like me it’s hard to understand Carlyle’s vernacular…He wasn’t writing this to the common man…He perhaps felt the language used by the “fourth estate” was to be kept above the “listening” comprehension of those he chose to address…I didn’t bother to google this “Burke” to which he quoted…Blessings

  3. Robert S. Smith says:

    Guess I meant “Burkes” english phrasing…Confused it as attributed to Carlyle!!!
    In any event, was difficult to assimilate…

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  5. Anonymous says:

    Please do correct anything I said then that was untrue.

  6. Anonymous says:

    Didn’t the nominal president say that we need more Norwegians?

    Like a blind squirrel maybe….

    It never ceases to amaze me how countries like Norway, that experienced first hand the terror inflicted on them by the nazis, make sure, to this day, that history is not allowed to repeat itself there.

    “Norwegian authorities over the weekend arrested Greg Johnson, the American editor-in-chief of white nationalist outlet Counter-Currents Publishing, hours before he was set to deliver remarks at a far-right conference.

    CNN reports Johnson was arrested Saturday before his scheduled speech at the Scandza Forum in Oslo. The network is reportedly known for its anti-Semitic and racist viewpoints.

    Johnson was considered “to be a threat, not because of what he could do but because of his hate speech and his previously expressed support for Anders Breivik,” Martin Bernsen, a spokesperson for Norway’s intelligence service, told CNN.”

  7. Steve says:

    It’s totally spin bait!
    Don’t bite!

  8. Rincon says:

    If a person lies in order to scam money from another it is a criminal offense. If a billionaire or company lies in order to scam money from millions of people, it’s called free speech.

    That being said, the answer cannot be to allow government to decide what is true and false. That would mean surrendering to the plutocrats. The problem is that the public does a poor job of spotting lies. Churchill was right when he said that the greatest argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter. Unfortunately, there may be no good answer to the problem of propaganda being as common as the truth today. As long as we excuse unconscionable behavior from the leaders of our own tribes, and propaganda is so overwhelming, our republic is in danger of going down for the count.

    It already has in some ways. For example, I was talking to someone today who claimed that Trump’s withholding of aid money to Ukraine with the promise of releasing it if they would “investigate” Hunter Biden was legitimate since any government official who is accused of wrongdoing should be investigated (presumably, even those accused without evidence – a great way to paralyze a government permanently). After all, Joe Biden publicly stated that he got the Ukrainian prosecutor fired by threatening to withhold aid.

    Flaws in his knowledge and so called logic are numerous:

    1) Both the European Union and the World Bank pushed hard to have the prosecutor fired because he had FAILED to prosecute anyone significant, thereby enabling the continuation of the tradition of corruption in Ukraine. The entire Obama Administration also supported the action. Trump, on the other hand, wanted Biden investigated strictly for his own benefit, and was willing to seriously weaken our commitment and credibility with Ukraine in order to realize that personal gain. Quite a difference!
    2) Biden advocated firing a prosecutor, but there is no evidence that he had the ability to influence his replacement, meaning that this act cannot be shown to have been protective of Hunter Biden in the first place.
    3) Biden made his push for firing the prosecutor in public for all to see (sort of the way Trump made public his request for Russia to unearth Hillary’s Emails). Trump’s request and threat were privately conveyed and was only found because of a whistleblower, and the passive request to find dirt even if no dirt existed is obvious, given that the call was to the leader of a country known for rampant corruption.
    4) Hunter Biden wasn’t even on the board of the Burisma gas company during the time period that the fired Ukrainian prosecutor was supposedly investigating them and so, needed no protection anyway.
    5) It somehow never struck my friend as odd that the Hunter Biden story is from 2014, yet the Republicans didn’t make even a peep about it until they needed a squirrel issue to take the public eye off of Trump’s serious lapse. Why would they have ignored it in 2014 if there was any merit to the story?

    Sadly, Conservatives wriggle, twist, and squirm in order to defend the indefensible. Liberals and the press can be just as irrational as I have previously shown such as when they both went into a feeding frenzy about black men being shot by police. While there is undoubtedly some merit in many cases, the statistical bedrock for this phenomenon is fragile at best, yet liberals go into apoplexy if anyone dares to even question the basis of their claims.

  9. Anonymous says:

    Rincon you’re a thoughtful type I can see. You’ve given one of the posters here more time and patience than any 10 men I know and although I see it as a waste of your time and effort, you seem to get something out of it and that’s admirable.

    IMHO though, if you try to reason with crazy, as you did by diligently laying out the logic behind why your friend was wrong, you just accomplish next to nothing and whats more, your friend will feel vindicated in the end. Someone told me once that “a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still” and I have taken that to heart. You can logic out this, and any other situation till the cows come home or until Steve gives up responding to a point you’ve made (good luck with that!) but you’re unlikely to be changing their minds if it is what they believe.

    The Cult of Trump is uninterested in whether what he did was right wrong illegal immoral or Satanic. They feel empowered by his racist, zenophobic, misogeny, because most of them are the same too and even these folks like to see one of their own in power. Not that they’re all of this type, but like the trump bomber, and the mass shooters acting in trumps name, there are enough of them.

    Some people are just unreachable.

  10. Steve says:

    Gain “friends” by attacking others while intimating support but not really supporting.

    It’s the “Patrick” way. Also the way of the old Soviet Union and today’s Russia.
    Divide then conquer.

    Ya’ see, I can disagree while remaining respectful, even in the face of a total “sham” plea.

  11. Anonymous says:

    Free speech can’t be a bad thing right? Course, this is nothing but the far right wing attempting to about down America but I’m sure Thomas you’d approve after all, owning libs and such.

    Maybe though this is actually wire fraud.

    “The Republican National Committee (RNC) funded an effort to tie up House Democrats’ office phone lines as the impeachment fight with the Trump administration intensifies, The New York Times reported Monday.

    The RNC paid for about 11,000 calls to almost three dozen House Democrats to influence public opinion on the impeachment inquiry and clog the representatives’ phone lines, affecting access to the lawmakers, two people briefed on the effort told the Times.”

  12. Steve says:

    Mad cuz the DNC didn’t think of it first!

  13. Rincon says:

    Ah yes, the Conservative mantra: “Ethics are for losers. If it’s legal and it’s my tribe, I’m fine with it”.

  14. Steve says:

    Ayuh, you know if it were reversed lefty libs would be all over it bring legal. Totally true it’s a tribal thing, Rincon. And you don’t seem all that happy your peeps didn’t think of it first.

  15. Rincon says:

    I agree. If reversed, liberals would do the same. The only ones who wouldn’t are the moderates. Too bad there are so few of them, because they’re right most of the time. Even when they aren’t right, they are far less obstructionist than die hard liberals and Conservatives and so, would allow progress to occur. The other camps keep us little more than treading water. We need more moderates and fewer extremists. Not gonna happen in this atmosphere of, shall we say…free speech.

  16. Bill says:

    I always love articles that start out by citing unidentified sources. The Hill, cited by Anon, cited the NY Times, which notably is error prone these days. It once was the standard for newspapers. No longer. The NY Times based their story on unidentified sources. But it wasn’t a story, it was it hit piece. They made an accusation which was responded to by an identified authority.

    They said, “…he Republican National Committee (RNC) funded an effort to tie up House Democrats’ office phone lines as the impeachment fight with the Trump administration intensifies…” What was the basis for that statement? Is it any wonder that the media has continued its fall in public opinion. In its annual confidence poll, Gallup found that Americans’ trust in the mass media “to report the news fully, accurately and fairly” reached its lowest level in polling history, with only 32 percent saying they have a great deal or fair amount of trust in the media.

    And Rincon, don’t fall into the biased, unthinking outlook of someone like Anon/Patrick/Deleted, who cannot think beyond stereotypes.

    Sadly, “Liberals” were once considered the standard bearers of the First Amendment and free speech. Now, those who often are said to be Liberal are in fact the real fascists who would stifle all speech.

  17. Steve says:

    Yup, that’s another thing I have been saying on a regular basis.
    Today’s liberal is a very different thing from what it meant to be liberal when they were all telling people to “question authority”
    Now, today, being liberal means total acceptance of doctrine as dispensed by left liberal faithful.
    Just check out the response from Rincon to the movie I cited from a total left liberal icon Michael Moore. Moore went off doctrine, so he, no the message his movie details, must be shut down.

    Solar and Wind are the planets energy saviors by all means necessary! No matter how many fossil fuel and nuke plants we need to have in place to back them up during darkness and calm winds.
    Never mind the fact it takes square miles of solar panels to power a few houses, during the day…night time well where you gonna get your electrons? Wind? Get outside and blow on the blades? Nope once the lithium is empty, you get your electrons from carbon power.
    And chemistry lets us MAKE it from scratch. Not “put it back in” as Rincon said.

    And forgive me for being skeptical about ABC’s handling of the Epstein accuser story. That network couldn’t tell the difference from Syria and a shooting range in Kentucky and aired the video twice before being embarrassed by feedback that made them retract it….the next day.
    Yup mainstream media certainly leans left, see it yourself on
    The Weather channel reporter leaning into the hurricane force winds on live broadcast as people calmly walk by out of his sight, but in full view of the camera.

    Question authority, most importantly when that authority is the one you most trust.

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