If you want an earful about how bad illegals are just get a legal immigrant started…all this bullshit about Latinos wanting a “path to Citizenship” for the illegals is not the majority. Its the loud voice of the minority, accompanied by the illegals themselves, in that community.
It is true deporting some 11,000,000 people is simply not logistically possible, however many have been leaving on their own with the economy as bad as it is in the construction trades.
Its worth noting France had the exact same problem with Polish immigrants, until the Europe economy crashed.
“It is true deporting some 11,000,000 people is simply not logistically possible”
Don’t fall for it. 350,000 cross the border at Otay Mesa (Tijuana) every day. I’ve done it myself scores of times. The logistics of moving that many people over, say a year, is just not that big a deal. The political will to do so is, of course, another matter.
I’m with you Boyd. There is only one tiny, but important, difference in that 350,000 who voluntarily cross the border daily…that difference is the word “voluntarily”.
Forcibly deporting some 11,000,000 people is simply logistically impossible….making their lives here, as illegals, unpleasant as possible and (more to the point) economically unreasonable is a much more effective way to get them to voluntarily exit the country they have entered illegally.
Wetbacks? You mean my god-like hero, Cesar Chavez, was politically incorrect? Say it’s not so, Tom. Oh yeah, if he was still alive today, surely he would have been properly socialized by now, and would have repudiated his use of such racist terminology.
Cesar Chavez was a man for his time, history often does that, he was active in unionizing farm workers, not open and illegal immigration. The left uses his name shamelessly but fail to equate him with the union organizers in big labor organizations.
Steve, sure I know what you meant and that’s why I qualified with the political will reference. However there are many activists who do reject deportation on just that literal a basis – that it is simply physically impossible to move that many people, willing or unwilling, across the border. That, as I’m sure you agree, is not a serious argument. Sure we can.
Populations rise and fall through emigration, if Europeans had stayed home what would this nation be? Check your DNA, the ancestors of most current Americans came from Europe. Don’t forget that the Irish weren’t wanted when they first came, look at them/us now.
The argument that forcibly deporting illegals is not possible is valid. It’s also not complete. Those who are attempting to sell this argument are hoping a majority of people do not think it through and I fear they are correct. The majority of the public does not think this stuff through to its inevitable conclusion.
We all know how we got here,,,the federal government will not do its job and I hold both major parties to task for this failure.
It is also very evident the federal government refuses to actually deport any of these people who are not an immediate threat. It IS worth noting the current administration has “deported” the highest percentage of illegals in recent history, however I believe much of that is via voluntary repatriation.
With that in mind it is also clear our federal government will also refuse to do the things needed to encourage full voluntary repatriation and is actively trying to prevent the states from doing this on their own. Suddenly, illegal immigrants have constitutional rights.
A real risk of forcing these people over the border is becoming the very thing the USA stands against as a free country and in which we used to lead the world…the free movement of a free population. Unencumbered by invasive intrusion into the movement of anyone, anywhere, anytime.
Being an illegal immigrant is choosing to stay inside the borders of a country against that country’s will, traveling within borders of other country’s should not be an issue.
No, Boyd, forcing these people to leave is as wrong as allowing them to stay here was in the first place. I believe the only real path to resolving this issue is to encourage their voluntary repatriation and the babies they brought here are truly and in reality, citizens. This is because we allowed their parents to raise them here. Many of them speak no Spanish at all, they are fully immersed into this society.
This is really our fault for allowing this to occur for more than a generation and if it is to be resolved it will take more than a generation to get it done.
[…] Something Obama failed to mention When Obama screened a movie about Cesar Chavez at the White House this week, he did not mention Chavez’s disdain for illegal immigrants. […]
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If you want an earful about how bad illegals are just get a legal immigrant started…all this bullshit about Latinos wanting a “path to Citizenship” for the illegals is not the majority. Its the loud voice of the minority, accompanied by the illegals themselves, in that community.
It is true deporting some 11,000,000 people is simply not logistically possible, however many have been leaving on their own with the economy as bad as it is in the construction trades.
Its worth noting France had the exact same problem with Polish immigrants, until the Europe economy crashed.
“It is true deporting some 11,000,000 people is simply not logistically possible”
Don’t fall for it. 350,000 cross the border at Otay Mesa (Tijuana) every day. I’ve done it myself scores of times. The logistics of moving that many people over, say a year, is just not that big a deal. The political will to do so is, of course, another matter.
I’m with you Boyd. There is only one tiny, but important, difference in that 350,000 who voluntarily cross the border daily…that difference is the word “voluntarily”.
Forcibly deporting some 11,000,000 people is simply logistically impossible….making their lives here, as illegals, unpleasant as possible and (more to the point) economically unreasonable is a much more effective way to get them to voluntarily exit the country they have entered illegally.
Wetbacks? You mean my god-like hero, Cesar Chavez, was politically incorrect? Say it’s not so, Tom. Oh yeah, if he was still alive today, surely he would have been properly socialized by now, and would have repudiated his use of such racist terminology.
Cesar Chavez was a man for his time, history often does that, he was active in unionizing farm workers, not open and illegal immigration. The left uses his name shamelessly but fail to equate him with the union organizers in big labor organizations.
Steve, sure I know what you meant and that’s why I qualified with the political will reference. However there are many activists who do reject deportation on just that literal a basis – that it is simply physically impossible to move that many people, willing or unwilling, across the border. That, as I’m sure you agree, is not a serious argument. Sure we can.
Populations rise and fall through emigration, if Europeans had stayed home what would this nation be? Check your DNA, the ancestors of most current Americans came from Europe. Don’t forget that the Irish weren’t wanted when they first came, look at them/us now.
The argument that forcibly deporting illegals is not possible is valid. It’s also not complete. Those who are attempting to sell this argument are hoping a majority of people do not think it through and I fear they are correct. The majority of the public does not think this stuff through to its inevitable conclusion.
We all know how we got here,,,the federal government will not do its job and I hold both major parties to task for this failure.
It is also very evident the federal government refuses to actually deport any of these people who are not an immediate threat. It IS worth noting the current administration has “deported” the highest percentage of illegals in recent history, however I believe much of that is via voluntary repatriation.
With that in mind it is also clear our federal government will also refuse to do the things needed to encourage full voluntary repatriation and is actively trying to prevent the states from doing this on their own. Suddenly, illegal immigrants have constitutional rights.
A real risk of forcing these people over the border is becoming the very thing the USA stands against as a free country and in which we used to lead the world…the free movement of a free population. Unencumbered by invasive intrusion into the movement of anyone, anywhere, anytime.
Being an illegal immigrant is choosing to stay inside the borders of a country against that country’s will, traveling within borders of other country’s should not be an issue.
No, Boyd, forcing these people to leave is as wrong as allowing them to stay here was in the first place. I believe the only real path to resolving this issue is to encourage their voluntary repatriation and the babies they brought here are truly and in reality, citizens. This is because we allowed their parents to raise them here. Many of them speak no Spanish at all, they are fully immersed into this society.
This is really our fault for allowing this to occur for more than a generation and if it is to be resolved it will take more than a generation to get it done.
As long as the border remains porous, it’s a game of whack-a -mole.
[…] Something Obama failed to mention When Obama screened a movie about Cesar Chavez at the White House this week, he did not mention Chavez’s disdain for illegal immigrants. […]
Steve, there are two things needed to be done, and illegals will self deport, voluntarily.
1. Implement and enforce e-verilfy. (Don’t talk about it, do it)
2. End welfare to illegals (including schooling).
If #1 were put into effect today, there would be such a drop in the unemployment numbers across the valley, the entire country would be stunned.