Is cutting agricultural output to save the climate a good idea?

Writing on today’s opinion page of the Elko Daily Free Press, Cheyenne, Wyo., attorney Karen Budd-Falen warns of some of the consequences of the Biden administration’s so-called 30×30 Plan to conserve in its natural or unproductive state 30 percent of the nation’s land and water by 2030. The plan’s stated objective is to avert “a profound climate crisis.”

Budd-Falen notes that by 2030 the world’s population is expected to increase to 8.5 billion people. “To feed all those people, the world needs farmers and ranchers,” she writes. “According to the American Farm Bureau Federation, the average American farm feeds 166 people, but with the increase in the world’s population, the world’s farmers will have to grow 70% more food than they did in 2019.”

The Biden plan would “use Department of Agriculture programs, funding and financing capacities, and other authorities … to encourage the voluntary adoption of climate-smart agricultural and forestry practices …”

Budd-Falen aptly compares this voluntary compliance to the 1970s “voluntary” 55 mph speed limit. States that did not “voluntarily” lower their speed limits to 55 were denied federal highway funds. Most volunteered.

The attorney notes that the “Department of Agriculture has just significantly increased its ‘payment rates and financial incentives’ to convince landowners to enroll additional acres into the Conservation Reserve Program (CRP). While landowners have the right to do with their land what they want, I worry about paying agriculturalists not to produce.”

The administration has already canceled its federal oil and gas lease sales under the theory that wind and solar can replace oil, gas and coal, Budd-Falen notes, adding, “I have not found a lot of affordable commercial all-electric tractors that could be used on farming or ranching operations today.”

She concludes with a question no one in the Biden administration seems to be asking: “How are farmers and ranchers going to feed 8.5 billion people in 2030 if there is no American oil and gas for tractors, we are paying landowners not-to-produce or produce less, and multiple use on federal lands is curtailed or eliminated to reach the 30 X 30 Plan goals? And what I am really warning is that the history of the federal government’s ‘voluntary’ 55 mph speed limit NOT be repeated today.”

Profound climate crisis or starvation? Some choice.

40 comments on “Is cutting agricultural output to save the climate a good idea?

  1. reziac says:

    Just stop feeding people who think agriculture needs to be curtailed. Problem solved!!

  2. Bill says:

    Elko, for the most part, is a place where the people exhibit uncommonly good sense. The Feds record on agricultural policy is checkered at best. A few years ago I visited a farm in South Dakota and noticed all of the ground not being cultivated. When I asked about it, the owner said that he was being paid not to grow on that land. He said that he could double his income if he had two mailboxes instead of one. Why does Biden’s plan sound so much like the “plans” and grand pronouncements of China and Russia? How did those work out? Maybe the next move will be collectivism of the U.S. agricultural land.

  3. Anonymous says:

    I’m trying to wrap my mind around this and I want to make sure I have this straight:

    There’s an ATTORNEY from WYOMING, writing a column about PROPOSAL for a VOLUNTARY program that appears in the ELKO paper claiming that FARMING will be affected by the voluntary proposed program.

    Does Wyoming have lots of farms? Or how about Elko? Wouldn’t it make more sense, if farmers were the ones being affected to have one of them writing the column? Or at least an attorney from a state where there are actually farms?

    Geez

    I’d LOVE to see all the columns this attorney from Wyoming wrote, about the tariff programs the last administration imposed that affected farmers criticizing those mandatory tariffs and the administration that imposed them in case anyone has a link.

    An article written by an attorney, from a state that has no farms to speak of, published in a paper in a city and state that has no farms to speak of, criticizing a program that purportedly would affect farms, seems…not credible to me somehow.

  4. Wikipedia: “The state of Wyoming, also known as the Cowboy State, has 30.2 million acres dedicated to farm land alone. Being one of the top agricultural states in the U.S, Wyoming has 11,000 farms with the average farm size being 2,726 acres.[2] “In 2001 agricultural lands in Wyoming produced 652.7 million pounds of beef, 31.2 million pounds of sheep and lamb, 3.0 million bushels of wheat, 7.0 million bushels of barley, 6.4 million bushels of corn, and 1.9 million tons of hay”[2] The top crops grown in Wyoming are hay, barley, wheat, beans, sugar beets, and corn. The largest commodity is by far the beef industry in Wyoming. “

  5. Anonymous says:

    What do you plant to grow a beef I wonder? Guess I’m not a farmer so what would I know about farming though.

    Is that what you consider farming Thomas “growing” beef?

  6. Bill says:

    As usual, misinformed as but not able to resist a snide
    personal remark. Try http://www.tsbbank.com/farming-vs-ranching

    A farm is an area of land and its buildings that are used for agriculture such as growing crops or rearing animals, typically under the control of one owner or manager but not always. A ranch technically is a type of farm since it is an overarching term, but ranches are usually larger than farms. Farmers spend countless hours tending to whatever it is they produce whether that be crops or a type of livestock.

    A lot of present day beef production is done on farms utilizing non-arable such as a wood lot and/or dairy animals (such as virtually all males) not necessary for breeding.

  7. Steve says:

    Tariff’s….interesting, isn’t it? The previous evil administration enacted them and the Biden admin keeps them in place.

    Meet the new boss?

  8. Athos says:

    “Stupid is as stupid does”. It’s not that they’re stupid, they just think WE are (or we are powerless to stop them) Just have John Kerry fire up the Gulfstream Aerospace jet and pick up some carbon credit steaks from Australia. And then we can all get jobs making solar panels, right?

    Why doesn’t Pres. Venal House Plant just admit he wants us to die? These creatures really want Soviet Union style governance, right down to Uncle Joe starving the Ukraine. VHP probably gets a wet dream comparing himself to the other Joe (Stalin).

    Here’s one aspect that I see as the problem: Lunchpail Joe released his Proclamation for the National Day of Prayer and never mentioned the word “God”, “Jesus” or the Bible.

    Wouldn’t want to upset his base.

  9. Anonymous says:

    “The Constitution says I get to do whatever I want”
    -Donald Trump

    “Cheers of ectasy”
    -Trumps right wing supporters after he said whatever he said whenever he said it

    “I love having a president that don’t play by no Marquis of Queensbury Rules”

  10. Anonymous says:

    Thomas did you figure Bundy was out there on the range farming cattle?

    I don’t know, maybe I am just ill informed after all and I should have called him a thieving welfare farmer not a thieving welfare rancher.

    Anyway to go back and edit my posts from back then?

  11. Athos says:

    It’s telling that Anny can’t distinguish between hyperbole and outright deceit. I guess the narrative is the only thing that matters, to those that can’t tell the truth. Trump was a NY blowhard and frequently massaged the truth (I think, for effect as part of the “show”) but Biden….wow…how’s that “Jim Eagle” thing going on, eh?? And what’s with the border children shell game??

    How funny is it that Dems are the party of slaveholders that fought a war to KEEP those slaves, then set up Jim Crow laws governing ‘colored people”, fought against the civil rights act of ’64, promoted welfare robbing black families of their fathers (and dignity), insist on quotas to further demean any minority exceptionalism, continually control Urban Centers that are blighted disgrace, and then reveal themselves (once again) as the racist party calling a sitting US Senator “Uncle Tim”.

    And yet, it’s the republicans which are the racists! Now Anny, pay attention, Republicans are not THE racists!

  12. Anonymous says:

    “I will be speaking to all 50 governors very shortly,” Trump said. “And I will then be authorizing each individual governor of each individual state to implement a reopening, very powerful reopening plan of their estate in a time in a manner which is most appropriate.”
    -Trump don’t have to play by the Queensbury of Marquis rules

    “States rights, states rights, states rights”
    -Right wingers before Trump (and after)

  13. Anonymous says:

    To get back to the subject of farm policies, Pres. Biden has just proposed active racial discrimination against White farmers who have or seek farm loans.

    A group of white farmers have sued Biden administration over loan forgiveness that discriminates against white farmers who may have lost their farms or been in financial distress because of the Coronas Virus.
    See news.yahoo.com/white-farmers-sue-biden…
    A group of white Midwestern farmers sued the federal government Thursday, alleging discrimination because they are not eligible for a COVID-19 loan forgiveness program aimed at helping disadvantaged farmers, AP reports. Why it matters: Under the Biden administration, about $4 billion of the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan will be allocated to disadvantaged farmers, about a quarter of whom …

    Biden the divider again.

  14. Bill says:

    Sorry, just hit the button to soon.

  15. Athos says:

    Why does he (the power behind the venal house plant) want the country at each others throats? And why are so many leftist ideas lacking common sense? A child knows that wearing a face mask outdoors when playing is foolish. Meritocracy works (and is accepted) in sports and music. Why not farming? Or college? Or the military? Or Police and Firemen?

    Why do you fellas keep trying to sell us on foolish ideas, petey? (I’d say Anny, but not the Bill Anny!;) Especially when you don’t believe them, yourselves?

  16. Anonymous says:

    “Its a democratic hoax. Its one guy from China. Its maybe 15 people and we have it tremendously under control.”
    -Donald Trump commenting about the virus

    “I knew it was a pandemic before anyone else. I knew it was 100 times as deadly as the flu. I knew it was going to kill millions of people before anyone else did.”
    -Donald Trump commenting later about the same virus

    “Maybe you should drink bleach and shove a UV light up your rectum”
    -Donald Trump about possible “cures” for the virus

    “I can’t believe I have to say this but please don’t drink bleach”
    -President Joe Biden (God that sounds good)

  17. Anonymous says:

    But back to farmers and the rights sudden interest in all things farm related:

    “Trump Gives Farmers $16 Billion in Aid”

    Remember when socialism was a bad thing and republicans hated it but then Trump did it and all was forgotten/forgiven? Pepperidge Farm remembers. This is 16 billion with a “b” folks and them ain’t black farmers getting this money neither so hopefully that cheers up some of the good people on both sides that wanna turn the “poor white” farmers into martyrs.

  18. Anonymous says:

    Heck lets take a quick look at the group Trump gathered together when he was handing over that 16 billion dollars shall we?

    I wonder if any of these guys were among those suing this administration for claimed “unfair treatment”?

    Anyone notice anything unusual for a republican administration here?

    Me neither.

  19. Anonymous says:

    I tried to post an image showing Trump surrounded by the farmers and ranchers he so loved but apparently the filter wasn’t having it; I suspect Bill might have had something to do with it and words won’t do the image justice but suffice it to say that it was an image right out of Norman Rockwell.

    And rest assured those were the ones Trump took care of his entire administration without a yelp from any of the usual suspects around here about socialism or them poor old white farmers.

  20. Civil Rights Act of 1964: “No person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.”

  21. Rincon says:

    Thanks for the laugh, Athos. Trump “frequently massaged the truth”. Hoo boy, that’s rich. I didn’t think Conservatives liked obsequious euphemisms. I guess they just don’t like them when they’re used by the enemy.

    I have to agree that discriminating against farmers on the basis of skin color is divisive. I would have hoped that the condition of farmer’s wallets would have been more important than the color of their skin.

  22. Anonymous says:

    Rincon it would sure have been nice if, instead of being discriminated against for the last 100 years or more, black farmers would have been treated equally by the United States government and states governments responsible for agriculture but that just hasn’t happened.

    In fact, during the last 100 years black ownership of farms went from approximately 16% all the way down to less than 2%. Stories like this one are the norm and not the exception:

    “Boyd’s had time to get used to this mistreatment. His struggle for equal footing started as soon as he bought his first farm for $51,000 at age 18 in 1984. He went to the Farmers Home Administration, a lending branch of the USDA, about 90 miles from Baskerville to apply for operating loans. Year after year, his applications were denied or delayed.

    “Looked at your application and we ain’t gonna be able to help you this year,” he says the loan officer would tell him. Once, Boyd says, a white farmer interrupted their meeting, exchanged quick pleasantries with the loan officer, and walked out, having not even applied, with a check for $157,000. “And I’m begging for $5,000,” Boyd recalls, shaking his head.

    In subsequent visits, the loan officer told Boyd he better learn to talk to him like other black folks did, took naps during meetings, threw Boyd’s applications straight into the trash and spat his chewing tobacco on Boyd’s shirt, claiming to have missed his spittoon.

    The officer only took meetings with the nine black farmers in the county on Wednesdays. “He would leave the door open and speak loudly and boastfully so that we could hear just how bad he was talking to each one of us,” Boyd says.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/29/why-have-americas-black-farmers-disappeared

    And yet, white America, for the most part, did hear nor care much about this sort of discrimination but God forbid the country attempt to do just a little for some of the remaining black farmers cause we sure can’t tolerate that and “The Constitution, The Constitution, The Constitution”…etc.

    From denying loans, to paying less for the crops, to simply stealing their land and in some cases just murdering them, this country has been discriminating against black farmers since the day they got here. But yeah it would be swell it from today forward we just pretend that everything is all equal now and “may the best man win”.

  23. […] Is cutting agricultural output to save the climate a good idea? Writing on today’s opinion page of the Elko Daily Free Press, Cheyenne, Wyo., attorney Karen Budd-Falen warns of some of the consequences of the Biden administration’s so-called 30×30 Plan to conserve in its natural or unproductive state 30 percent of the nation’s land and water by 2030. The plan’s stated objective is to avert “a profound climate crisis.” […]

  24. Athos says:

    Divide the people. Have them at each others throats. Since class doesn’t seem to work well in developed Western countries, USE RACE! Interesting game plan, Anny (or should I call you petey).

    All Black Lives don’t seem to matter when it comes to black on black killing in Democrat-run inner cities. But Anny, you folks know that, don’t you?

    Rinny. you getting all you thought you’d get from this Biden/Harris regime? How much is a gallon of gas in your neck of the woods? Is it worth paying more to not read anymore mean tweets?

  25. Anonymous says:

    Let’s all go back and see which poster here was the first to raise the issue of race shall we?

    Athos says:
    May 7, 2021 at 9:54 pm

    “How funny is it that Dems are the party of slaveholders that fought a war to KEEP those slaves, etc. etc. etc.”

    And who joined in next I wonder? Oh wait, I found it:

    Anonymous (later self identified as “Bill”) says:

    May 7, 2021 at 11:40 pm
    To get back to the subject of farm policies, Pres. Biden has just proposed active racial discrimination against White farmers who have or seek farm loans.

    “How stupid can you be”

    was never intended as a personal challenge aholes.

  26. Athos says:

    Are you denying Democrats fought for slavery in the Civil War? Are you denying Democrats enacted and enforced “Jim Crow” Laws? Are you saying the birthplace of the KKK was somewhere other than Democrats?

    Are you saying it was someone OTHER than Democrats that called Senator Scott “Uncle Tim”??

    And why is it that Democrat’s (who have no common sense) project “Stupidity” on us conservatives?

  27. Anonymous says:

    Are you denying that it was you that brought the issue of race into this discussion and then, as a classic right winger with no sense of self=awareness and little awareness of anything said this:

    “Divide the people. Have them at each others throats. Since class doesn’t seem to work well in developed Western countries, USE RACE! Interesting game plan, Anny (or should I call you petey).”

    Do you realize that the right wing in this country has one demographic where they are the majority?

    White, uneducated, males.

    Is it fair to say that you are all of these?

  28. Athos says:

    Oh, Anny. The Voice of Reason! Just like President Venal House Plant! Yes, as a classic right winger I spoke the truth (we find that easier than obfuscation, you should really try it some time!)

    The Democrats have been the home for racist for over 150 years. And your fascination with Marxism (Woodrow Wilson ring a bell?) has always puzzled me for its Evil destructiveness. Why would any sane man want to embrace that failed dogma?

    Do you really think the group you have now can make this work? Have none of you ever studied history to discover what happens to the devoted revolutionaries? Or do you think America is too fat, stoned, and afraid of losing our comfortable way of life that we won’t fight?

    And just for the record, what is wrong with white, uneducated, males? Of course you left out Christian, and for the record…we built this country (that you’re so desperately trying to tear apart)!

    I eagerly await your answer.

  29. Anonymous says:

    Classic right wing misremembering so as to make their pathetic lives seem more meaningful.

    The guys that founded this country were hardly uneducated (you don’t write things like the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution, much less the laws that the original states had) with a GED. And most of the founders that the right wing (was) so fond up before they “discovered” that lots of them were socialists at heart (I know I don’t have to re-post all those quotes from guys like Thomas Paine (Americans, and all of them, at birth and every year thereafter, are OWED money by this country) and Benjamin Franklin (business is mostly theft) and most certainly NOT Christians but deists but yeah, say it with me loud and proud “President Joe Biden” (dang that sounds good don’t it?)

  30. Athos says:

    And therein lies the problem, doesn’t it, Anny? Your top rate education at your elite schools compels you to believe you must be smarter than us deplorable rubes. The rub comes when your policies continually fail, time after time, because you don’t have the common God gave geese! And even when we predict they’ll fail (cause we understand human nature, and economic laws), you still can’t believe it, can you? (why, oh why are all those people coming to the border NOW?)

    You can rail at Trump all you want (and be “loud and proud” of the Venal House Plant) but Trump’s economy (before Covid) was kicking tail, Israel was close to having a peace deal with Saudi Arabia (after UAE, Jordan, Egypt and Bahrain). Iran was scared to make a peep. The border was quiet and the wall was coming along nicely and GAS PRICES WERE OVER A $1/GAL CHEAPER THAT NOW! You leftist NEED race division or else people are going to notice that our problems are a DIRECT result of YOUR policies. (at least kindergarteners can tell the difference between a boy and a girl!)

    You can misrepresent Paine and Franklin because you can’t accept the fact that your policies are destructive, counter intuitive and contrary to our very nature. And believe it or not, the founding fathers, and the majority of our country thru out the years, have been overwhelmingly Christian in their belief. (as late as 2019, a Pew Research study showed that 65% of Americans identified as Christian – down 12 percent from the previous decade), and when I was born, it was 95%!

    And for the record, I never said our founding fathers were uneducated. (classic Alinsky radical misdirection) Of COURSE they studied all of history’s forms of government and pieced together our great Republic. But the last I checked, Abraham Lincoln did a pretty good job as President. Tell me, what prestigious college did he attend, Anny?

  31. Rincon says:

    Simplistic answers to complex problems give predictably poor results. Simply favoring black people over white people in government programs runs smack dab into the law of unintended consequences, as well as being on the highly questionable ethical ground of two wrongs making a right.

    Two examples. The Biden Administration did the same thing with small business assistance; aiding white males owned business far less than those owned by minorities. A small businessman friend of mine was incensed that “the Biden answer to discrimination was to order all white people to the back of the bus” The unintended consequence here is to alienate just enough people to swing the next election to the Republicans.

    The second involves the older antidiscrimination laws. I had mentioned previously that the employment of disabled people dropped after the Americans with Disabilities Act was passed. My own experience shows why. In Illinois, I am pretty free to terminate employment just as an employee is free to quit – but not in the case of a disabled person. When I found it necessary to dismiss an employee who had a genuine disability, it took three months, many hours of work, some legal risk, and at least two consultations with lawyers to accomplish the task. Firing a nonminority employee can be nearly instantaneous. With this legal mire, a rational person less idealistic than myself just might hesitate to hire the next employee with a disability. Not much gained for a minority if employers become afraid to hire them in the first place.

    Nevertheless, the problem needs solving, so what to do? If we aim at helping people who are disadvantaged in any way rather than exclusively people who have a particular skin tone, people of color would automatically benefit as a group more than white people. We apologize to Liberals if some white people are helped along the way, but the net effect would be worth it. One way would be to address educational inequality. We can’t expect children who attend grossly inferior schools to shine. Lots of other ways too, but hopefully, you get the idea.

  32. Anonymous says:

    More misremembering from the uneducated white male ranks.

    Trump is only the second president in the history of this country to lose jobs during his term in office. The other was another republican president Herbert Hoover (if he had Trumps press though he’d probably be revered as some sort of right wing hero rather than the one he has now as a blight on this country’s history) and before we have to listen to some excuses about the poor old orange stain and the bad hand dealt to him lets just remind everyone that lots of presidents, in fact most EVERY president has had to deal with incredible problems during their terms in office that pushed the country’s economy into a crisis that resulted in millions of jobs being lost for some time and people being thrown out of their jobs for some reason or another and yet ALL of them save one, were able to increase the number of Americans with jobs before they left office; not the orange stain though. And Iran was scared to make a peep? I seem to remember Iran bombing a base where Americans were stationed and at least 30 of whom were injured and many said to have sustained brain damage as a result of the attack. Course the evil one denied that ANYONE was injured but that is in keeping with his history of just spitting right in the faces of every American that expects their president to at least PRETEND to tell the truth ONCE in a while.

    And gas prices? My memory harkens back perhaps just a little further than this uneducated white males’ does (like say 2 years maybe) to the days when oil prices dropped to LESS THAN ZERO and president orange stain INTERVENED between the Saudis (some friends they are) and the Russians so as to INCREASE THE PRICE of oil and gas and by doing so the evil orange one pledge to REDUCE AMERICAN PRODUCTION and thereby throw even more AMERICANS out of work all so our two besties could make more money and AMERICANS COULD PAY MORE at the pump.

    So many things, so much evil. What color is the sky where these people live I wonder?

  33. Anonymous says:

    Rincon I certainly agree with you that complex problems aren’t usually solved with simple solutions and how best to tackle the issues involving race in this country is one of those but sometimes there is no single right answer and you have to use all sorts of means and methods some of which are bound to fail. It doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try them though in my opinion it just means that a good accounting of the successes and/or failures should be made so that adjustments in programs can be made so that improvements will follow.

    And I appreciate the anecdotal story about your friend but I sure would be interested in hearing about programs that were designed to benefit minorities to the detriment of majority whites because, in my experience, they are noteworthy mostly because they are so rare and in fact the reverse is so often the case that we accept it as the norm. Which is why the need for the programs you described is there to begin with.

    I also agree that from a political perspective, designing a program that doesn’t necessarily identify blacks as the group that will benefit from government spending but will ultimately benefit them is better than one that does. Especially when the benefits will mostly inure to the black community but in some sense it bothers me that we have to “disguise” these sort of programs and in my opinion it speaks to the racism inherent in white people in general. If you can’t accept that blacks were discriminated against in a way that made them disadvantaged today then the only explanation is that you liked it that way and you believe you’re entitled to those benefits today and that’s nothing but racism. But, as a pragmatist, I’ll go with your suggestion as a way to get things better.

  34. Athos says:

    Very good points, Rinny. Funny how real life experiences are so much different that classroom theory. The more I read, the more I’m convinced that Madison (et al) wanted a limited SMALLER government because he (they) understood the true nature of man. Keep in mind, Kings were answerable to no one, and George III was one of the bad ones that lived a long time.

    We may be losing the masks in the next few days. Sissystupid has let it go (providing you’re vaccinated) and the Wynn will let guest AND employees return to normal.

  35. Anonymous says:

    “The Constitution says I get to do whatever I want”

  36. Athos says:

    I’m sure you’re proud of how clever you are, Anny. “…before we have to listen to some excuses about the poor old orange stain and the bad hand dealt to him lets just remind everyone….To be sure, the bulk of the job losses in the Trump economy were precipitated by the shutdown orders associated with the worst pandemic in 100 years…..” There. I fixed it for you cause a truth teller like yourself wouldn’t want any misconceptions, yes?

    As to Marines attacked? You mean Iran’s feeble attempt to retaliate for us killing Iranian terrorist leader Qassem Soleimani? Are you still upset that Qassem got blown up? He was one of your homies, huh?

    for all your bluster (and misdirection) about gas prices, I don’t believe the average price of gas got above $2.90/gal during Trump’s watch. That sounds pretty good about now to me, but then again, I’m one of those fellas that actually Love America. Warts and all. And enjoy paying less for gas and food and all the stuff cheap gas can do for saving me money.

    “…If you can’t accept that blacks were discriminated against in a way that made them disadvantaged today then the only explanation is that you liked it that way and you believe you’re entitled to those benefits today and that’s nothing but racism…” What blacks are disadvantaged today? LeBron James? Kayne West? Candice Owens? Thomas Sowell? Or all those inner city youth living in Democrat controlled cities across the land? And just who was doing all that discriminating against them over the years, Anny?

    The real question inquiring minds want to know, Anny, is why do you Hate America so much? Like you’re embarrassed to be an American. Accusing anyone of racial harm when you won’t take responsibility for your own Party’s discriminatory actions takes a special kind of arrogance.

    But that’s your goal, isn’t it? Good old Saul and Rule #8, huh?

  37. Anonymous says:

    I keep forgetting the new world we’re living in so my apologies.

    It used to be that people wouldn’t just say stuff, like “Iran was scared to make a peep…” and then, after being advised that Iran actually bombed and injured American soldiers, they’d say “oh yeah, that’s right, I must have forgotten that, thanks for reminding me, or “well that is true and I probably overstated the case and I hope I didn’t destroy whatever credibility I had in the process”. But now because every uneducated white male that can tap on a keyboard without regard to propriety or certainly the truth, its all changed for the worse.

    And its weird to me that a guy that celebrates the “limited government” that the founders established, would support a guy who said “The Constitution says I get to do whatever I want”, but again, the uneducated white male population of this country is clearly not tied to anything they ever say because it really doesn’t mean anything even to them. How can the rest of us give these folks the credibility that they refuse to give themselves.

    President Joe Biden. Say it with me loud and proud.

  38. Athos says:

    It’s indeed fortunate that I can translate from leftist language, so we can accurately cut to the chase as to what leftists are actually saying. And Anny Has graciously given me a perfect chance to use my linguistic skills with his last post. So here goes:

    Leftists, like Anny, really were upset over the bombing of Iranian butcher Qassem. And by bringing that up again I really touched a nerve.

    The big difference between supporting Trump who governed conservatively and blusters over the top versus Biden who talks like a moderate uniter but governs Left of Bernie Sanders, is apparent for all that don’t have an agenda.

    You didn’t like me pointing out Saul’s rule number eight? Hmmm

  39. Anonymous says:

    Here’s why the uneducated white males in this country feel so empowered to just say stuff, then deny saying it, then deny denying they said it, then claim it doesn’t matter whether what they said was true or not; because the evil orange stain they worship is right there with them.

    I’ll note that this guy is the head of the republican party in the largest or second largest county in all Arizona.

  40. Athos says:

    Hey ‘Loud and Proud”, your boy had it pretty bad last week, didn’t he? Is that why the CDC suddenly reversed course last Thursday, and had the Venal House Plant tell us to take off our masks?

    So what changed to produce the dramatic reversal of “mask up to protect lives”?

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