‘He’s a racist’: Beto O’Rourke says President Trump is partly to blame for El Paso mass shooting
After Shootings, Democrats Call for Gun Laws, Blame Trump’s Rhetoric
Some Democratic Candidates Seek to Link Shootings to Trump
Cory Booker Says Donald Trump “Is Responsible” For The El Paso Shooting
Harvard Law prof accuses Trump of ‘terrorism,’ calls for impeachment after shootings
Gavin Newsom blames Trump, Republicans for ‘culture of gun violence’ after Gilroy shooting
Hollywood Blames Trump for El Paso Shooting: ‘The President of the United States Bears Responsibility’
‘This Is a Sickness.’ 2020 Democratic Candidates Point to NRA in Wake of Mass Shootings
Buttigieg: ‘There’s no question white nationalism is condoned at the highest levels of our government’
Castro: Trump ‘made a choice to divide people’ for his ‘political benefit’
Elizabeth Warren Calls For Action Over ‘Gun Violence Epidemic’ After El Paso Walmart Shooting
Bernie Sanders blasts NRA over El Paso shooting
Joe Biden Vows to ‘Beat the NRA’ Following El Paso Shooting
Kamala Harris willing to send cops to people’s homes to confiscate banned firearms
The recurring theme above? Criminals do NOT obey laws! Look up the definition of ‘criminal’. The line between ‘law abiding citizen’ and ‘criminal’ was crossed when the manifestos or cognitive action was crossed. Learn the lessons of sci fi writers ‘Future crime think’ doesn’t end well for anyone, and there are a plethora of sources that embrace indiscriminate firearms violence even though the stars? are vocally and financially anti 2A. There are a number of things that would help mitigate the shootings we’ve seen, but the current self entitled and ruling class would not tolerate.
Have any of the Hollywood elite taken a pledge to NOT direct/appear in the next blockbuster that features violence on a grand scale? Tarantino? Depp? Ford? Julianne Moore? Crickets.
Understand that is post came more than a year ago after a different mass shooting in Santa Fe Texas but I doubt much has changed for the folks on the right and where the blame goes:
After 10 people were killed during a mass shooting at a high school in Santa Fe, TX, pro-gun proselytizers in the conservative media sphere insisted that gun safety laws would not have prevented the shooting and instead pointed to other aspects of American culture that they said required reform. Here are some of the excuses right-wing pundits offered for the May 18 shooting:
Fox News guest Howard Safir suggested that the Common Core curriculum may be responsible.
Fox host Jon Scott faulted “violent and realistic video games.”
NRA President-elect Oliver North blamed the “culture of violence” in the media and Ritalin.
NRATV’s Grant Stinchfield said, “Taking God out of our culture … is at least partly to blame for the violence we see today.”
NRA spokesperson Dana Loesch said schools have insufficient security and proposed redirecting funding from Planned Parenthood and “double locking doors” as possible solutions.
Loesch also doubled down on Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick’s argument that “too many entrances and too many exits” were increasing the risk for school shootings.
Fox’s Jason Chaffetz placed responsibility on mental health issues and “politically correct culture.”
Conservative radio host Buck Sexton suggested that a lack of guns on campus may be to blame.
Conservative radio host and MSNBC commentator Hugh Hewitt said the school’s lax policy on trench coats may bear some responsibility.
NRA board member Ted Nugent blamed school shootings on unhealthy diets.
Conservative commentator Tomi Lahren attributed the rise in mass shootings in part to “the breakdown of the American family.”
Far-right conspiracy theorists suggested antifa might have inspired the shooting.
In February, after the school shooting in Parkland, FL, claimed 17 lives, conservative media took the very same approach:
Fox News contributor Tammy Bruce claimed that talking about firearms doesn’t get to the “core issue” of “the human condition.” She and the hosts of Fox & Friends also blamed drugs, virtual reality, and video games for the shooting.
Radio host Michael Savage tweeted that “liberal judges and the ACLU” were to blame.
Fox guest Lou Palumbo blamed “the media, the entertainment industry,” and “the lack of parenting.”
Fox News contributor Kevin Jackson blamed “Leftist-run schools” and falsely claimed that the shooter was linked to antifa.
Fox News host Laura Ingraham blamed “mental illness”and “broken or damaged families” for the shooting on her show.
The Gateway Pundit suggested that the shooter supposedly being a registered Democrat was a factor. (He was not actually a registered Democrat; the blog was forced to correct the story.)
Townhall’s Kurt Schlichter blamed the FBI’s Russia probe for the shooting, tweeting, “The FBI was too busy trying to undermine the president to bother with doing it’s (sic) freaking job.”
The Daily Caller’s Peter Hasson suggested that the shooting was related to the shooter growing up without a father.
Liberty One TV’s Joe Biggs (formerly of Infowars) tweeted that the FBI was “too busy chasing Trump/Russia nothing burgers” to have prevented the shooting.
Pamela Geller falsely claimed that the shooter was connected to antifa and Islamic terrorist groups.
Laura Loomer shared a fake photo of the shooter and speculated that he was a “radical leftist” with potential ties to antifa and Islamic resistance groups.
Infowars claimed that the “MSM” (mainstream media) was “already covering it up” that the shooter was likely a “Democratic voter” and had clothing “similar to the style worn by ISIS fighters in Syria.”
And since then, nothing has been done. I wonder who benefits because of that?
🚨 HERE WE GO AGAIN! More shootings, more spin, more mis-information, more lies, more finger pointing, more blame games, more calls for more laws but no common sense!
Face it, the police can’t be everywhere all the time and yet these liberal lunatic politicians want to strip law abiding citizens of our ONLY means of self defense by making it harder to own a gun. Of course, the bad guys won’t give a rat’s ass about any law the left proposes.
I’m no expert but, I do pay attention and ask questions! There is a growing mental health problem in our country, more crazy drugs, strange additives to our food supply; endless violence from our liberal friends in Hollywood, unrealistic kill everything that doesn’t move video ‘games’ and a fantasy world devoid of any reality.
Factor in the glorification of degenerate lifestyles, broken homes, lack of respect for the police and things ain’t looking good 😟
This is getting sickening all this hate. I want to know how many of these shooters were on some kind of mind-altering drugs.
The political class do not want Trump as president. And there is no filter on what they will say or what they will do to try and achieve that goal.
I don’t know about any of you but I find this disgusting. These people laying blame on Trump are not political outsiders not commentators not church leaders but they are running to be the Democrat presidential candidate in the 2020 election.
Whatever happened to lack of gravitas? Are these people really this desperate?
That Harris head is very misleading.
They actually correct themselves in their own story
She combined lists of convicted criminals barred from owning guns with lists of people found to be a danger themselves or others under “red alert” laws to empower law enforcement to go to the places those people live.
She said nothing about going to all homes fishing for guns.
Stupid left wing lunatic; this guy MUST GO!
““I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida … to go to court would have taken a long time,” said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.
“Take the guns first, go through due process second,”
Has this guy even heard of the Constitution?
At least he’s not letting his golf game suffer.
“President Trump found time between gun violence massacres to celebrate at his golf club over the weekend.
The commander-in-chief appeared to crash a wedding at Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., hours after a mass shooting took the lives of 20 people in an El Paso, Texas, Walmart and shortly before a different gunman killed nine people outside a Dayton, Ohio, bar. This marks Trump’s 214th trip to one his golf clubs since becoming president.”
I don’t blame Trump specifically for the acts of right wing terrorists, but I have to point out to those who blame fundamentalist Muslims for Islamic terrorism, that in order to be consistent, they should also blame fundamentalist right wingers for right wing terrorism. Since right wing terrorists have killed about the same number of people as Islamic terrorists, any honest person has to consider both groups equally deadly.
Rin, what are fundamentalist right wingers? How many of them are there? Who is the spokesman or their leaders?
“Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (R) on Monday suggested that a lack of thoughts and prayers is “the single biggest factor” behind mass shootings like the ones that took place in Texas and Ohio last weekend.
“Despite all those who are denouncing the idea of prayers for the victims … I will continue to pray for the victims and their families and for an end to this mindless violence, and I hope you will, too,” Huckabee, who ran for the Republican presidential nominee in 2008 and 2016, wrote in a blog post on his website.
“In fact, amid all the finger-pointing and blame-laying and repulsive attempts to turn these tragedies to political advantage before the bodies are even cold, I would posit that the lack of thought and prayers is probably the single biggest factor in what is behind them,” he continued.”
The “intellectual” right.
As opposed to the Satanic Left, mmmmK, Patrick?
Why do I have to specify any one person as a right wing fundamentalist? The phrase is, “politics of hate”, and the fact that there are so few left wing mass murderers and so many that are right wingers should wake you up a bit, but will you?
“so few left wing mass murderers”
And you will find it is not true.
Here is a very long, in depth analysts… in short is says there is no “typical” mass murderer. They are from all races, creeds, colors and political persuasions.
Each is tied to the event they caused in a specific way exclusive to each individual in their own situations.
I am, certain there is enough here to cherry pick an opinion that supports anyone’s desired belief. But the facts, taken as a whole, do not support a left or right cause for mass murderers.
Turns out, these people are totally individual.
analysis….analysts? spell checkers cannot read our minds.
No one is blaming Elizabeth Warren. https://www.wsj.com/articles/politics-and-the-shooters-11565047588?mod=MorningEditorialReport&mod=&mod=djemMER_h
A very interesting article, Steve, but I believe we are talking at cross purposes. The article involves mass shootings, which include familicides, felony killings, and public mass killings, which are the rarest. My term, “right wing terrorists” excludes the more common felony and familial killings. The article does not address them specifically. A different article by a reputable source (according to Mediabiasfactcheck.com) claims that right wing terrorists have killed more people than the Muslim kind since 9/12/2001. Note left wing terrorists are not mentioned at all. https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/terrorism-in-america/what-threat-united-states-today/
Because of this apparent deficiency, I Googled left wing terrorism. I found very little, but here is an article by Conservapedia, which is described by Wikipedia: “Conservapedia /kənˌsɜːrvəˈpiːdiə/ is an English-language wiki encyclopedia project written from an American conservative and fundamentalist Christian point of view”, so I believe if anyone would be willing to list left wing terrorism incidents, they would. Their article, “Left Wing Terrorism in the United States”, covers many historical incidents, but only reports one recent left wing terrorist murder, that by Micah Xavier Johnson, who “…specifically set out to kill as many white officers as he could, officials said. Others reported they had found no evidence that Johnson had direct ties to any protest or political group, either peaceful or violent, but his Facebook page showed that he supported “black lives matter”.[ Sounds more racial than political to me, but whatever.
That’s it. The only left wing terrorist killing they found. https://www.conservapedia.com/Left_Wing_Terrorism_in_the_United_States#Neo-progressives
From this lack of information regarding left wing mass killings, I conclude that they are rare, but as it is impossible to prove a negative, I invite you to find more information about this seemingly nonexistent phenomenon. If it’s there, it should be easy for you to find.
This begs the question, why are there so many right wing crazies compared to the left wing? I think I know the answer, but invite you to provide your own.
Why would anyone blame Warren?
Now blaming the guy that says white supremist nazis are good people too, and that Mexicans are a bunch of rapist, drug dealing, invaders, that are infesting “our” neighborhoods with diseases and communism/socialism, shitholeness etc. And ought to be sent back…to wherever which language is then quoted near verbatim by the guys doing the killing and making the efforts to kill and commit acts of terrorism, now THAT makes sense.
But that good old “freedom of speech” never hurt anyone did it?
Because people don’t listen and aren’t influenced by the words people say.
I’ll never understand an opinion writer that would even imply such a thing.
On point here Thomas this raises a question:
Why would there be an objection to simply identifying Trump donors? And what does mean “inciting”?
““Democrats want to talk about inciting violence?” Murtaugh said. “This naming of private citizens and their employers is reckless and irresponsible. He is endangering the safety of people he is supposed to be representing. No one should be targeted for exercising their First Amendment rights or for their political beliefs. He should delete the tweet, apologize, and his brother’s campaign should disavow it.”
Because there are crazy people in this world.
First of all why would anyone lie and say Trump called white supremacist fine people? Or called Mexicans rapists and murderers?
He never did that! But I guess if you repeat a lie often enough there enough gullible people that will believe it. Wasn’t there some evil ideology (like a Nazi) that proposed telling a lie often enough and gullible people will believe it?
Or is there another reason for these Democrats to keep spreading lies? That means justify the ends so they can once again get back into power?
Well that sure is inconsistent with the idea that free speech never hurt anyone.
Smarten up son.
Ahh so now it’s “terrorist murderers” those goal posts keep jumping all over the place.
Mass murderer has moved to “homicide” to “intentional homicide” to “misery index” to “terrorist murderer” And I bet I missed a few of the slippery goal post positions along the way.
As a general rule, mass murderers have not been of any persuasion. Be it race, creed, color, political spectrum or bias.
At the moment all the search engines are focused on current events and are jumping to them almost exclusively. I have not been able to find the articles I read just a few years ago on the subject of “bias in the psyche of the mass murderer”. ( the words in quotes make a good search term)
Here’s an LA Times article on the subject. And it’s new too. Once again, no political commonalities are found, but they do identify 4 very common aspects of mass murderers.
As I have read in the past, and IMHO, they all do have one common thread, bat shit crazy on a mission to go out big. And the LA Times piece supports me. (So, of course I am biased, right?)
Just found new stuff on the Gilroy crazy.
Apparently he compiled a list of targets.
Interestingly, it includes both major political parties.
bat shit crazy suicidal with intent to go out with a big bang.
Get off the political divide and start thinking critically.
“Mass murderer has moved to “homicide” to “intentional homicide” to “misery index” to “terrorist murderer”
Sorry if you’re confused, but in the left/right wing context, mass murderer is synonymous with terrorist killer. This is because, as I explained from your link, there are 3 kinds of mass murderers – familial, crime associated, and public. It’s obvious that familial and crime related murders are not political; therefore, in those cases, whether a perp is left or right wing is entirely irrelevant. This means only public mass murders relate in any way to left vs right wing.
The misery index was merely a side comment about suicides, which you brought into the conversation. Intentional homicide is not closely related to terrorist murder. We used the term in relation to gun control, which was the subject of this conversation until we all digressed into terrorist murderers.
“As a general rule, mass murderers have not been of any persuasion. Be it race, creed, color, political spectrum or bias.”
You apparently didn’t read your own link very closely. As I explained previously, the article you cited specifically says that public mass murders (generally meaning terrorist murders) are but a small fraction of all mass murders. Although there is no consistent “persuasion” in familial and crime related mass murders (the vast majority), there is certainly a set of common persuasions in the public or terrorist mass murder category: Right wing and Islamic mostly.
Oops, I was redundant. I also repeated myself. Sorry about that.
Slowly, ever so slowly, you are coming to the realization you have been moving the goal posts and changing the limits. You ruled out any but “public” then called those “terrorist”
See what you are up to yet?
And repetition, even acknowledged repetition, is a tool of the advertiser intended to make the reader/listener/viewer ultimately believe in what they are being sold.
So I will not repeat my statement. I remain certain it stands true.
Now, read the LA Times piece…note what it does not include in the commonalities of mass murderers…no matter how you slice them.
Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, Jones, Reno, Bin Laden.
No those fellows were mass murders.
Where do they fit in all your charts?
Public? Shirley not political (And don’t call me Surely)
I carefully defined the terms and have used them appropriately. I can’t make it any more clear. Besides, its ridiculous to keep obsessing about some imagined infraction of your rules of discussion. It would have been far more appropriate to have defined the terms yourself and then continue under those conventions instead of whining about my supposed sins.
“And repetition, even acknowledged repetition, is a tool of the advertiser intended to make the reader/listener/viewer ultimately believe in what they are being sold.”
I immediately pointed out my mistake, but you accused me of using an advertiser’s tool. This is not only stoopid (with 2 o’s), but mean spirited as well. Anyone with even a smidgen of grace would have merely accepted the correction without comment.
Thank you for one of the best discussions we’ve had for quite awhile, but it’s time to end it.
Mass murderers. All of them. That’s what I am saying.
Yeah…it was interesting to watch another discussion on the best way to parse and define things so as to make them be what the parser/definer wishes.
You have the right to ignore the facts as you choose, but ignoring them because they’re “parsed” is a new one to me.
Facts are not separable by parsing or compartmentalizing.
Facts are facts.
You don’t like facts. You want to ignore those facts not supportive of your ideology. The whole is the fact.
Mass murderers have 4 common traits. Read the LA Times piece.
Well then, odds on how soon we start hearing calls for “Common Sense Pointy Metal Thing Control” laws? ( bet me this doesn’t fit the idealism?)
Like Britain’s knife control law?
Yup! “pointy” a clue? 😁
Turns out the mass “stabber” is a gang member, killed & attacked random people with no concern for who or what they were.
Interesting the usual suspects are totally silent on this mass murder. And it certainly does fit the description many insist make a mass murder.
Seems Rincon is right that some murder just isn’t as important than other murder. Especially when it doesn’t fit desired idealism.
I liked the new Steve. Sorry that the old one is back.
Call’s ‘m like’s aye sees’m, Rincon.
An, I seen ya call some murder more impo’tint to yo ideology than othahs iz.
Prolly too young for Li’l Abner