In the past we’ve had tough choices between presidential candidates.
After contemplating the relative behavior of the two major party candidates this year, we have come to realize that both are totally bereft of any symblance of character, morality, ethics or scruples.
The debate turned into a contest to determine who was the less repugnant sexual pervert.
Can we get mulligan on both of them?
4TH ST8 
How true, how true. I so ready for this to be over, but I fear we are jumping from the frying pan into the fire no matter who wins. The fire is just a bit stronger and deeper with Hillary.
The only worse choices were avoided when the rest of the republicans running were vanquished because even the right has no use for them.
Whew!
Compared to Clinton, Sanders was a much higher quality candidate.
At least we could trust what he said was what he really believed.
And, Patrick, Trump is yours, all yours. He’s a liberal Demorat, always was, always will be.
Steve, you are a fuking idiot.
I accept Patrick’s ongoing acknowledgement and surrender with aplomb.
Food for thought…there is no conservative in the race, what we are left with is still a principled moral choice, we are now down to damage control. One that must be viewed in context, perspective, and with the bigger picture in mind. Stopping Hillary is essential…scroll down to the audio rewind…10/10/16, click on the arrow to play…perspective from someone who doesn’t like Trump either!
http://www.marklevinshow.com/audio-rewind/
What moral choice allows a vote for an immoral candidate like Trump?
A progressive, leftist, statist ideologue like yourself…would never understand the moral high ground. Listen to the first twenty minutes and you’ll find out…and you may learn something.
Morals?
They left the stage months ago.
Patrick is being predictably laughable.
HFB:
I figured even a far right wing, drone like yourself would understand that voting for man like Trump, who has demonstrated his lack of morals, over the course of his entire life, is not consistent with a moral stance in any fashion.
But apparently, the enmity you posses for Hillary, which is itself inconsistent with any morality I’m familiar with, so blinds you that you can’t even see it.
“far right wing, drone”
The moral choice, from the party of immorality.
Jeff Sessions is “right” there with you HFB; he says grabbing women by the P—y doesn’t seem that wrong to him.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/10/donald-trumps-backers-have-been-reduced-to-suggesting-groping-may-not-be-sexual-assault/
As a special added bonus, the guy whose own wife’s character was viciously attacked by the Donald, along with other attacks on Cruz’ own father, stands with the reprobate.
http://time.com/4506350/donald-trump-ted-cruz-insults/
So, maybe, this disease is not limited to a few republicans. Which makes me uneasy about the future of our beloved republic.
To what extent is the conservative movement itself responsible for Donald Trump being the Republican nominee?
The establishment Republicans have no one to blame but themselves for the rise of Donald Trump. For years they made promises they knew they would never keep to reign in government excesses. The conservatives have held their noses and supported establishment politicians only to have the rug pulled out from underneath them. The establishment Republicans have given money and support to defeat sitting house and Senate conservatives. The backlash that gave Trump the nomination is a multi-faceted group of people who are sick and tired of business as usual in DC. They’ve had enough of the progressive leftist agenda and in your face politics of Obama. They’re pissed…and they’re not going to take it anymore. Some conservatives (certainly not all) are but a part of this mutli-faceted group.
Oh and He who must NOT be named…you have a lot of chutzpah to point the finger of “immorality” at anyone. The Republicans are mere pikers when compared to the Democrats in the sexual deviancy and moral failings arena. It’s obvious you didn’t listen…or you wouldn’t be repeating yourself with your faux moral outrage. Words…versus Deeds. (obviously you didn’t read this either!)
https://www.creators.com/read/thomas-sowell/10/16/words-versus-deeds
No, I don’t read Thomas Sowell. He has never had an original thought, let alone a worthwhile one.
But to the few non-deranged people who may read this blog, I respectfully suggest that one reason why the Republican Party is now reduced to nominating the likes of Palin and Trump is that the Thomas Mitchells of the world tell people like deal old Barbara that there is no reasonable choice between someone like Hillary Clinton and a sociopath like Donald Trump.
Like Hillary Clinton is a good example for normalcy.
HFB:
Do you honestly believe that Uncle Thomas Sowell and Mark lunatic Levin represent anything but the extreme lunacy of the right?
If this where you get your sense of morality, it’s no wonder you make the “moral” choices you do.
Actually, based on having met her several times and having observed her in public for many year, I find Hillary Clinton to be quite normal. One might not like her policies, which are pretty mainstream liberal. And one might find her to be overly secretive, to protective of her privacy, or even to be a prevaricator. But she is obviously quite normal.
One of the several major problems with the conservative movement is that it has convinced itself that its opponents are uniformly abnormal, crooked, evil, destined to inflict irreparable damage upon America, etc., etc. Of course, the ultimate example of this was the disgraceful campaign to label President Obama as a foreign-born Muslum — a racist lie that is still believed by a substantial percentage of Republican voters.
If you like the disaster of the last 8 years and want a Supreme Court packed with radical progressive leftist socialists, more spending and more taxes, more chaos in the Middle East, open borders and tens of thousands of unvetted refugees…then Hillary’s your gal. If you are sick and tired of the BS in Washington DC…then the Sledge Hammer is your man, it’s as simple as that.
I dunno. I look around this country and I don’t see a “disaster.” Some people think the economy isn’t growing as fast as it should. Some people don’t think health reform worked out as planned. And so on. But you have to be pretty messed up to think that America today is a “disaster.”
PS: there have been no federal income tax increases in the past eight years, except for people earning over $250k.
No “normal” woman would put up with the hi-jinks her husband made her live with.
I’m just….(near) speechless. I mean the lunatic right just is becoming crazier and crazier by the day. I mean the “champion of all things far right wing lunacy calling Hillary the “moral” choice, and the local group of….”conservatives” suggesting that the guy grabbing ’em by the P—y is.
The world is a pineapple upside down cake.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/glenn-beck-hillary-clinton-moral-ethical-choice/index.html
https://stream.org/astroturf-outrage-machine-of-paid-trolls-floods-social-media-to-counteract-negative-news-about-hillary-clinton/
So the burning question…is “He who must NOT be named” (deleted, Patrick, etc) and the little nypper…paid trolls or just committed progressive socialists?
Morality? It is always used either as a shield or a sword, usually by people who have no real sense of honesty. Comparatively, what makes one thing more moral or less moral than another? Given the choice against someone who allegedly committed unwanted groping and used misogynistic and another that has betrayed the public trust through lying and used government office to enrich herself it is not a moral question at all. Both are bad. As Friedrich Nietzsche said, “a moral system valid for all is basically immoral.”
“used government office to enrich herself …”
Boy, are you whacked out.
“Whacked” is being blind to the “yuge” income gains made by the once “broke” Clintons.
Bailiff!
Whack his pee pee!
“Morality? It is always used either as a shield or a sword, usually by people who have no real sense of honesty. ”
Barbara, I think Bill just called you out here. Although it’s true that what he wrote is hard to understand. Again it seems sort of like things moral relativists say, and isn’t that something (another thing) “conservatives usual rail against?
Like I said, the world is a pineapple upside down cake.
HFB:
“Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”
Luke 19:1-10
HFB:
One more and a question: was Jesus trolling or was he, by giving without expectation of being paid, a progressive socialist when he explained why he spent time with sinners?
” “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners” (Mark 2:17).”
You know it’s gone off the rails…when he who must not be named starts quoting the Bible!
HFB:
Here’s one for the “moral” choice:
“Thou shalt not covet they neighbors wife”
“Grab ’em by the P—y”
Donald
HFB – The discovery of Obama’s emails sent to Hillary under a pseudonym show he knew of the private server. Hillary could not be prosecuted without also implicating Obama. It is amazing to me that the Republicans have allowed such lawlessness to go unpunished. Very sadly I have come to the conclusion that I will have to vote for Trump. Trump may be just as bad, but there is no doubt Hillary deserves to be in prison.
So Clinton should be in jail. For what? Perhaps her Emails and Benghazi? If so, you’re calling the FBI investigators either very careless or dishonest. For Benghazi, you won’t believe the results of the eight investigations and apparently would prefer to launch a ninth. But hey, maybe she did commit a crime and we just can’t prove it. In that case, perhaps Trump could join her behind bars. There seems to be ample evidence for multiple sexual assaults, but he also has one other lawbreaking incident that cannot be denied:
“So if you see someone getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of ‘em. Would you? Seriously. Ok? Just knock the hell—I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees.” ! Under Iowa state law, a person can be charged with disorderly conduct if they are “directing abusive words or making a threatening gesture which the person knows (or reasonably should know) is likely to provoke a violent reaction by another.” http://gawker.com/trump-encouragers-ralliers-to-knock-the-crap-out-of-p-1756448417
Seems to me that many of you were calling for Bill Clinton’s impeachment because he cheated on his wife, but the evidence that Trump has cheated on his wives multiple times is overwhelming. So now you’re going to vote for him…and then maybe impeach him?
The other problem with Trump is that he’s a loose canon whose behavior in office is essentially not predictable. From his mouth:
“the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald J. Trump, suggested that he might reduce the national debt by persuading creditors to accept something less than full payment.” http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/07/us/politics/donald-trumps-idea-to-cut-national-debt-get-creditors-to-accept-less.html
On Iraq: “You know, it used to be to the victor belong the spoils. Now, there was no victor there, believe me. There was no victor. But I always said: Take the oil.” http://time.com/4483355/commander-chief-forum-clinton-trump-intrepid/
“I would do stop-and-frisk. I think you have to. We did it in New York, it worked incredibly well.” http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/why-not-to-vote-for-trump-from-a-to-z-w441964
“Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your ass I would – in a heartbeat. And I would approve more than that …. Believe me, it works.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/23/donald-trump-on-waterboarding-if-it-doesnt-work-they-deserve-it-anyway/
On Vladimir Putin: “If he says great things about me, I’m going to say great things about him … very much of a leader … the man has very strong control over a country.” Time.com/4483355/commander-chief-forum-clinton-trump-intrepid/
And of course, climate change is a hoax created by the Chinese, Obama’s birth certificate is a forgery and grabbing women’s private parts is good sport.
You might also consider what Trump did before he became a candidate. The Atlantic published an article entitled, “The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet ” From the introduction: “The breadth of Trump’s controversies is truly yuge, ranging from allegations of mafia ties to unscrupulous business dealings, and from racial discrimination to alleged marital rape.” Take your time. It’s a long article.
Clinton has been investigated many times. In a society where an accusation, with or without adequate evidence, often leads to conviction in the court of public opinion, she either narrowly escapes capture for many crimes or her enemies jump on every opportunity, real or imagined, in multiple attempts to take her down. She may be too slippery to convict, but it’s certainly possible that she’s actually too innocent to convict.
Hillary is doomed if people like Barbara are not going to vote for her.
Oh wait. Never mind.
Glad to hear that Barbara…I concur.
I am not sure how the Republicans could stop her. They do not control the Justice Department and more importantly, the media. The times have changed from when erasing part of a tape was impeachable of a President to where destroying evidence in a Congressional inquiry is nothing more than part of the vast right wing conspiracy.
Never let it be said that all Christians are hypocrites. There are some (women mostly) who just won’t take the Donald anymore no matter how their “menfolks” make the immoral choice.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/10/beth-moore-the-christian-women-speaking-out-about-trump-s-bad-news.html
Now Patrick proves hes sexist. (naturally, it goes along with his racism)