Tell us again, Mr. President, about those rooftop solar jobs

Obama leaves after State of the Union speech. (USA Today photo)

In his final State of the Union address to Congress and the country, Obama continued to pound the drum for so-called clean energy.

“Look, if anybody still wants to dispute the science around climate change, have at it,” he said. “You’ll be pretty lonely, because you’ll be debating our military, most of America’s business leaders, the majority of the American people, almost the entire scientific community, and 200 nations around the world who agree it’s a problem and intend to solve it.”

Never mind the facts, minds are made up and that’s what counts. Not evidence. No significant global warming in two decades. Yes, 2015 might have been the warmest on record according to measurements taken in urban heat sinks after some “adjustments” by hundredths of a degree and well within the margin of error.

But here is the line that had Nevadans laughing out loud.

“Seven years ago, we made the single biggest investment in clean energy in our history. Here are the results. In fields from Iowa to Texas, wind power is now cheaper than dirtier, conventional power.” Obama told us confidently. “On rooftops from Arizona to New York, solar is saving Americans tens of millions of dollars a year on their energy bills, and employs more Americans than coal – in jobs that pay better than average.”

That’s funny coming hours before Nevada’s PUC finalizes new rooftop solar tariffs that will destroy the future of rooftop and those jobs, as well as steal the value of current rooftop panels that Nevadans were suckered into buying.

 

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55 comments on “Tell us again, Mr. President, about those rooftop solar jobs

  1. Bruce Kester says:

    Excellent piece Thomas! I was screaming at my TV…”EXCEPT IN NEVADA!” Do you think he got wind of our PUC’s maneuvers by only going as far west as Arizona in that quote?

  2. nyp says:

    You know, I disagree with Marco Rubo on many important issues. But I have to give him credit for coming out in favor of a cap-and-trade energy mandate as a response to climate change.
    http://tinyurl.com/zfbcw58

    Thank you, Senator Rubio

  3. Steve says:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/01/12/scientists-just-found-an-unexpected-factor-that-could-be-driving-greenlands-ice-loss/

    Clouds aren’t good for PV either.

    Climate changes, always has and always will. To what degree is human activity effecting change? No one knows. But we still MUST stop the ever changing climate from changing!

  4. nyp says:

    don’t tell Thomas Mitchell — he thinks global warming doesn’t exist — that it’s all a hoax.

  5. I’m listening to testimony before the PUC now. People are pissed …

  6. Steve says:

    Since climate change is a natural process, stopping it would be worse than letting it continue it’s natural course!

  7. Patrick says:

    Entrenched industries will always make it as difficult for newer and better industries using all the tools they can including corruption, manipulation, and lies. Heck, that’s part of what makes capitalism what it is today; you don’t think John Rockefeller loved the fact that electricity was going to put his kerosene business out of business do you? You don’t really believe that he lied, and manipulated, and corrupted as many people as he could in order to stop that much better business from taking his customers just because he “thought” kerosene was such a much better energy source do you?

    So, the powers that be want to put the kibosh on alternatives? SHOCKING, that the entrenched billionaires don’t want a much better, cheaper, renewable source of power to compete with them.

    Geez man.

  8. Actually, renewables are not competitive and have to be subsidized, but that the bait prior to the switch.

  9. Also, nobody is pointing out that public buildings and schools get to keep the current tariffs, which seems a bit two-faced and unfair. Aren’t the non-solar users “subsidizing” those too? I still don’t understand the rationale for saying there is a cost shift, because some are not using as much power as others.

  10. Patrick says:

    Renewables are competitive, and are far less subsidized than other sources of energy when their “true” costs are included; which right now the American public at large are paying, instead of just the customers.

  11. Mark Ruffalo (a favorite for a best supporting actor Academy Award nomination for the movie Spotlight) was in town at the protest giving the PUC the “what for”…and he did a great job!
    http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/hundreds-criticize-puc-new-rates-rooftop-solar-poll

  12. Rincon says:

    “No significant global warming in two decades” According to NASA, the last decade was the warmest on record, http://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/9/

  13. Steve says:

    Yeah, now tell us all how its 100% due to human activity and even if all of that is stopped it will STILL progress for the next 100 years.

    faith based science!

  14. nyp says:

    You seem to have trouble with the concept that putting massive amounts of heat-trapping gasses into the atmosphere will have the effect of trapping heat.

    I wonder why that is.

  15. Steve says:

    President said climate change, not AGW.

    You seem to have an interpretation fetish.

  16. nyp says:

    But that is of little consolation to you, Mr. Mitchell. You don’t believe that the climate is getting warmer. You think global warming is all a big hoax.

  17. One man’s hoax…is another man’s religion, right nyp? You may not believe in God…but you sure do worship at the altar of global warming.

  18. nyp says:

    No, I do not. And please do not make presumptions about my religious beliefs.

  19. Steve says:

    Nyp asking people not to presume things!

    Now THAT is funny. And in this market we could all use a good laugh, thanks, Nyp!

  20. nyp says:

    Don’t tell me whether or not I believe in God. That is truly ass-holic.

  21. Steve says:

    RONFLMAO, nyp!

  22. Rincon says:

    Can anyone here actually think? NOBODY CAN KNOW! Anyone who advocates doing nothing is risking a possible massive disaster. Anyone advocating extreme mitigation measures risks the same in economic terms. THE only rational response is to adopt moderate mitigation measures early, The horse on that one, of course, is out of the barn. Conservatives have bet the farm that their unsupported assumption is correct. By the time anyone can prove to their satisfaction hat warming is a threat, the die will have been cast. If we define religion as basing important actions (or inactions) on pure faith while lacking meaningful evidence, Conservatives are clearly engaging in religion of their own just as they accuse Liberals of doing

  23. The U.S. acting alone is a futile gesture as far as the climate, but harmful economically.

  24. Steve says:

    Atheism,

    is a belief.

  25. nyp says:

    Funny — I thought there had just been a huge global agreement on climate change goals involving just about every nation, and that China had signed a separate bilateral agreement to reduce its carbon emissions.

    Guess that is all part of the great climate change hoax that Mr. Mitchell believes in.

  26. Non-binding pledges worth about as much as “I’ll still love you in the morning.” China has been lying about its emissions for years and will continue to do.

  27. nyp says:

    I’m so old, Mr. Mitchell, that I remember back when people like you declared that China and other developing nations would never sign an international agreement to reduce carbon emissions.

    That was then. Now, you are reduced to arguing that although they agreed to sharply reduce their greenhouse gas pollution, they really don’t mean it.

    It is always a moving target with you people.

  28. Steve says:

    I’m old enough to remember when the catalytic converter was going to save the planet!

  29. nyp says:

    Catalytic converters – the product of strict EPA pollution regulations – have done an excellent job of reducing smog and other airborne pollution problems since they were introduced in the 1970s.

  30. Steve says:

    Then you guys had to find a replacement so you could keep on demanding money so you latched on to CO2 and attached a faith based 100 year window to the deal. Now that window has increased to as much as 100,000 years.

    Talk about moving goal posts.

  31. nyp says:

    What derp

  32. Steve says:

    Reality bites nyp, funny!

  33. Secretary of State John Kerry: “It doesn’t have mandatory targets for reduction and it doesn’t have an enforcement, compliance mechanism.”

  34. nyp says:

    for those who could like a balanced explanation of how the Paris climate change accords work:

    http://www.vox.com/2015/12/12/9981020/paris-climate-deal

  35. For Vox, surprisingly balanced: “There’s ample room for skepticism about this agreement.”

  36. Steve says:

    Ezra Klein is balanced.

    sigh

  37. Rincon says:

    Ignorance is not knowing something. Stupidity is thinking you know something that you don’t.

    BTW, China is #1 in solar, #1 in wind energy, and #1 in renewable energy and they’ve done it with a far smaller per capita income than ours.

    “China has been lying about its emissions for years and will continue to do.” Your evidence of that?

  38. Steve says:

    Beijing’s air quality is proof….

  39. Rincon says:

    Of course they’re #1 in coal. They have 4 times as many people. We however, consume about 3 1/2 times the energy per person than they do, and so use far more coal than they do per capita. Also applies to renewables. but the elephant in the room is that they have more of all renewables than we do despite having a per capita income 1/6 as great. As a percent of GDP, the best measure, they invest a great deal more in renewables than we do. Sorry,but accusing China of foot dragging compared to us is completely unrealistic.

  40. Steve says:

    Personal income?
    Why that particular comparison? You want us to believe China’s private residences have have more rooftop solar systems?

    China’s government is communist, their system says it will be done, it gets done. They have utility scale generation for their larger population. Stands to reason they would have more generation (of all kinds) than the US.
    Doesn’t matter how much income they make.

    But for rooftop solar, personal income is REALLY important. It’s why you find PV on wealthy homes rather than anywhere in the low rent districts. Anywhere in the world.

  41. Rincon says:

    Rooftop? Who said rooftop?

  42. Steve says:

    Your use of per capita income leads me to think you were comparing individual installations.

    Otherwise, why use that particular statistic?

  43. Rincon says:

    It’s about affordability. Do you expect third world countries to be able to put in billions of dollars for solar and wind projects? Of course not. Although China isn’t third world, it has substantially less money to spend than we do when each person generates only 1/6 of the GDP than us, but they outspend us anyway. It’s because they don’t have Republicans.

  44. Steve says:

    Please, China is a communist government. If they say build it, it gets built.
    That is how they ended up with dozens of empty cities none of their people can afford to live in.
    China’s personal income has zero to do with it.

  45. Rincon says:

    The point is that China is not dodging it’s responsibility. Central control vs individualism is not particularly relevant.

  46. Steve says:

    China is not dodging its responsibility…..

    No, they are building whatever they need to supply a changing economy.
    They have a brand new middle class that resembles ours in the 1950’s.
    For now, they earn less than we do and consume less. But they will dwarf all of our economic history in the coming years.
    By the 1960’s our middle class was demanding clean air and water, China is just beginning to feel the effects of an encroaching middle class.

    China is becoming a consuming nation and they are huge. Its not responsibility, its necessity.

  47. Rincon says:

    And we have tacitly announced to the world that we feel China has no responsibility whatsoever to minimize its greenhouse emissions.

  48. Steve says:

    It’s not China driving the worlds economy, it’s oil.
    And oil is going to make the decisions, like it or not.

    https://www.fidelity.com/insights/markets-economy/what-it-takes-for-stocks-to-go-up

  49. Rincon says:

    Especially as long as Conservatives continue to maintain our addiction to it.

  50. Steve says:

    You really believe that, don’t you…..

    sigh

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