Trump, Obama differences on travel restrictions a matter of semantics?

Trump on Monday calls for ban on Muslim visitors to U.S. (Getty photo)

Is it merely a matter of degree?

Donald Trump is being roundly criticized for daring to call for a temporary halt to allowing Muslims to enter the U.S. In his defense Trump cited Roosevelt’s classification of ethnic Japanese, Germans and Italians in the U.S. during World War II as “enemy aliens.”

But did anyone notice that Congress and the Obama administration are close to an agreement that would place travel restrictions on foreigners who have recently been to Syria, Iraq, Iran or Sudan?

Is the difference semantics?

Following the San Bernardino Christmas part massacre by an American born Muslim and his Pakistani wife, all kinds of proposals are being bandied about.

Currently visitors to the U.S. from 38 countries can enter visa-free, but the legislation being proposed would require those countries to provide information about past travels.

Oddly enough Trump followed up by saying his proposal would not apply to U.S. citizens. “If a person is a Muslim, goes overseas and comes back, they can come back,” he said. “They’re a citizen. That’s different. But we have to figure things out.”

Terrorist Syed Rizwan Farook had traveled to Saudi Arabia and returned with his Muslim wife, who was given a fiancee visa. So, how would Trump’s plan have stopped anything?

Still in the oddly enough vein, the State Department is defending its fiancee vetting process.

How can the U.S. keep out terrorists but let in tourists?

The head of a tourism business organization noted that nearly 60 percent of the 20 million U.S. visitors each year come on the visa-waiver program, which allows 90-day stays. Restrictions would hurt tourism, he said.

 

 

 

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48 comments on “Trump, Obama differences on travel restrictions a matter of semantics?

  1. WSJ’s Taranto:

    Title 8, Section 1182 of the U.S. Code provides in part:

    Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

  2. Steve says:

    http://www.newser.com/story/217269/gop-trump-is-screwing-everything-up-for-us.html

    Remember, you heard it here first;
    https://4thst8.wordpress.com/2015/08/26/trump-voters-will-not-listen-to-reason/#comment-59690

    To be clear when I said Trump is working for Clinton, I did not say he was being paid by Clinton….it is much more like he is a campaign volunteer.

    It really doesn’t come as any surprise that he says things the way he does, Obama can’t come right out and say this stuff, but Trump can. And it actually helps his effort to get Clinton elected.

    If you want a Republican in the Whitehouse come 2017, support Bernie Sanders!

  3. Josh (not so) Earnest said in the White House briefing yesterday that Trump’s proposal was unconstitutional and effectively “disqualifies him from serving as President.” Perhaps he forgot this little tidbit from the past…
    “Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952
    H.R. 5678 was named after its sponsors, Senator Pat McCarran (D-Nevada), and Congressman Francis Walter (D-Pennsylvania). President Truman vetoed the Act because he regarded the bill as “un-American” and discriminatory. Truman’s veto was overridden by a vote of 278 to 113 in the House and 57 to 26 in the Senate.”

    “Speaking in the Senate on March 2, 1953, McCarran said: I believe that this nation is the last hope of Western civilization and if this oasis of the world shall be overrun, perverted, contaminated or destroyed, then the last flickering light of humanity will be extinguished. I take no issue with those who would praise the contributions which have been made to our society by people of many races, of varied creeds and colors. … However, we have in the United States today hard-core, indigestible blocs which have not become integrated into the American way of life, but which, on the contrary are its deadly enemies. Today, as never before, untold millions are storming our gates for admission and those gates are cracking under the strain. The solution of the problems of Europe and Asia will not come through a transplanting of those problems en masse to the United States. … I do not intend to become prophetic, but if the enemies of this legislation succeed in riddling it to pieces, or in amending it beyond recognition, they will have contributed more to promote this nation’s downfall than any other group since we achieved our independence as a nation.”

  4. Wasn’t it just that code…cited above by Mr. Mitchell, that President Jimmy Carter used in 1979 to keep out Iranians?

  5. nyp says:

    So,when Senator McCarren spoke in 1953 of “hard-core, indigestible blocs [of immigrants] which have not become integrated into the American way of life, but which, on the contrary are its deadly enemies,” which recently-arrived ethnic groups was he talking about? The Italians? The Jews? The Greeks?

  6. Steve says:

    Nyp is fly fishing again!

  7. nyp says:

    You guys agree with Sen. McCarron, don’t you?

  8. Steve says:

    Nyp’s trying meat for bait!

  9. He was talking about some of the devotees of Bernie Sanders.

  10. nyp says:

    You are very much like Trump: you want to put out something really dark and ugly, but you won’t acknowledge the consequences. You quote with approval a racist statement about European immigrants. Then, when I call you on it, you run away.

  11. Steve says:

    Nope, the law you questioned was reaffirming the one from 1924 and was aimed at Asians….

    Nice bait!

  12. So the bipartisan Congress of 1952 that over rode the Presidential veto was dark and ugly? And just for the record…I prefer being compared to Trump, than being compared to our Community Organizer in Chief and his lackey, the condescending arrogant twit named Earnest.

  13. nyp says:

    Whe were the “hard-core, indigestible blocs [of immigrants]” which, in the earlier waves of immigration, had become “the deadly enemies” of the American way of life?

  14. nyp says:

    Here is how those Bolshevicks at Commentary Magazine described the Mccarron-Walter Immigration Act:
    “The McCarran-Walter Bill is one of the worst statutes to which an American Congress ever gave its approval. Not since the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 has an act of Congress come so close to subverting the underlying assumption upon which the conception of citizenship in the United States rests: the assumption that there are no degrees of citizenship, that all Americans are completely equal in rights whatever their place of birth.”
    http://tinyurl.com/zcp79s2

  15. Steve says:

    Suit up and set the wayback machine to 1953, nyp and go ask the people who were living it.

  16. Steve says:

    “Mccarron” ???

    That is twice, each time you typed it yourself, nyp. Gotta be on purpose.

  17. Patrick says:

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/09/us/colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting/

    How long will it be before all the “good” Christians in the entire country condemn this terrorist lest they be labeled as fellow travelers?

  18. Steve says:

    Now Patrick is fly fishing!

  19. Perhaps the little nyper and Patrick can explain to us how two radicalized wannabe Muslim martyrs were able to slip through the robust, rigorous, exhaustive and thorough HLS vetting process?

  20. nyp says:

    Because one of them was an American citizen and thus wasn’t subject to any “vetting process, and because his financee’s immigration had absolutely nothing to do with the extremely probing separate system for reviewing asylum applications by political refugees.

    Now that I have answered your question, you can answer mine: who were these un-American immigrant groups who were posing dangers to the American way of life in the first half of the 20th Century?

  21. Steve says:

    I answered that, but you didn’t like the answer.
    Specially when you checked it out! (And found it correct.)

    And, Brien, It’s “nypatrick” they are one and the same!

  22. nyp says:

    no you did not.
    and no it was not.

  23. Steve says:

    “no you did not.”
    Yes I did, but;

    “and no it was not.”

    How could it not be, if (as you say) I didn’t answer it? !!!!

    laugh.

  24. How about Patnyp…has kind of a ring to it.

  25. Today’s Islamic moment…”A Muslim family seeking to dishonor a Christian family in Pakistan targeted an 8-year-old Christian girl for brutalization.

    This innocent young girl, Parwasha, was kidnapped, stripped naked, and beaten. Then she was abandoned in the streets of Pakistan for public humiliation.

    When her Christian family tried to press charges against the jihadist attackers, town officials arrested Parwasha’s grandfather and uncle.

    This jihadist injustice happens all too often in Pakistan.” The American Center for Law and Justice has “filed a critical legal petition to prosecute Parwasha’s attackers. Tomorrow, we’re scheduled to be in court to defend this Christian girl and demand justice.”

  26. nyp says:

    I guess we should declare war on Pakistan.

  27. No…we should ban all assault style Pakistanis, ban all large Pakistani clips (magazines), ban the Pakistani bazaar loopholes…and require that all Pakistanis pass a robust background check.

  28. Steve says:

    Replace the word Pakistani with Islamist and you have a winner!

    Patnyp….not bad, it is kind of like watching a cat on speed.

  29. So let it be written…so let it be done!

  30. Patrick says:

    Meanwhile, back in the good ‘ole US of A,, another “Christian” moment:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/severed-pigs-head-thrown-at-philadelphia-mosque/

  31. Sounds more like a Charlie Hebdo type prank…

  32. Patrick says:

    I wonder when the parents, or friends, or heck, I’ll settle for a Christian acquaintance of the guy who slaughtered all those people at the Planned Parenthood clinic and the other innocents, will come out and condemn his actions?

    One upped by a MUSLIM father!

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-father-san-bernardino-shooter-tashfeen-malik-condemns-daughters-actions-20151210-story.html

    The shame.

  33. Patrick says:

    The problem with “see something, say something”

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/12/10/nj-transit-bus-stopped/

  34. Steve says:

    Muslims are great at condemning their own, in fact they are almost as good at that as they are at sending them off to suicide bomb public places.

    And when they do that the suicide bomber is rewarded with a harem in the afterlife with Mohamed…

    Meanwhile in reality, Christians put their crooks in jail.

  35. Patrick says:

    Since we’re all having fun and what not, creating names for each other and such, a recent post has given me a brainstorm for the perfect name for one of the posters here:

    “Stevetard”

    “so let it be written, so let it be…written…repeatedly”

    Where appropriate anyway.

  36. Steve says:

    It’s truly like watching a cat on meth!

  37. Steve says:

    Wonder how long he worked on that….

    Being a boomer, it takes sticks and stones to hurt me. Words are tools and the right tool for the job is important. When the wrong tool is employed,,,the owner is shown bankrupt.

    Patnyp…good tool.

  38. Steve says:

    Christian go to jail, directly to jail, Islamaists, especially radical Islamists, get all the benefits of the doubt.
    They get to check themselves into mental institutions where no one may touch them.

  39. Patrick says:

    May have missed the most recent result of justice for Muslim radicals; didn’t they both get shot dead?

  40. Steve says:

    “didn’t they both get shot dead?”
    You would have preferred a different outcome?

    I bet they are on this list;
    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#

  41. Patrick says:

    “Christian go to jail, directly to jail, Islamaists, especially radical Islamists, get all the benefits of the doubt.
    They get to check themselves into mental institutions where no one may touch them.”

    “didn’t they both get shot dead?”

    In light of the second quote, doesn’t the first one seem Stevetarded?

  42. Steve says:

    Patnyp, goes to the handbook and attacks the message because he can’t answer the query.

    Sticks and stones, got any?

  43. Patrick says:

    HFB:

    Just thought I’d keep you updated on the terrorist actions committed by “Christians” in this country against others.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-new-york-deathray-idUSKBN0TZ2VM20151216

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