Tell us more about that peaceful and tolerant religion, Hillary

Hillary Clinton said in New York recently, “Let’s be clear: Islam is not our adversary. Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.”

Meanwhile, the Los Angeles Times reported Monday that the tolerant Muslims of Saudi Arabia have sentenced to death a poet for the crime of apostasy.

You see, Ashraf Fayadh, 35, who was born and raised in Saudi Arabia, was found guilty by a Saudi court of blasphemy and atheism because of poems he published in 2008 in another country. He has until mid-December to appeal.

 

Ashraf Fayadh was sentenced to death for blasphemy in a trial in Saudi Arabia in which he had no legal counsel. (Screen grab from YouTube via the Guardian)

 

 

 

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35 comments on “Tell us more about that peaceful and tolerant religion, Hillary

  1. nyp says:

    Good point, Mr. Mitchell. Let’s declare the Islamic religion and its adherents the enemy.

  2. Bruce Feher says:

    They aren’t are friends nyp!

  3. nyp says:

    Really. Our NATO allies the Turks are not our friends?

  4. Tolerant?

    Turks reportedly shot down a Russian jet.

  5. nyp says:

    We have a treaty obligation to support them in the event this turns into war.

  6. Obama will duck and run.

  7. If you received as many millions of dollars for your foundation from the Saudi’s as the Clintons have…you’d feel a tad obligated to spout that BS “religion of peace” line too most likely!

  8. nyp says:

    Right – let’s declare war on Islam.
    Terrific statesmanship.

  9. Steve says:

    Too late, nypatrick!
    Their followers have declared war on US!
    (and the rest of the non Islamic world)

  10. And the other half of the Muslims they disagree with…

  11. Because of his devotion to the progressive cause and his loyalty to his favored presidential candidate…the little nyper is again forced to defend a faith that denigrates and subjugates women as third or fourth class citizens…and persecutes (sometimes violently) members of the LGBT community…two groups and causes he claims to champion. Tres’ strange bedfellows if you ask me…

  12. Nyp says:

    So, you believe that US policy should be that Islam is a bad religion and that people who believe in it are bad people.

  13. Steve says:

    So, when a significant force declares war on your country, you believe it should be ignored.

  14. nyp says:

    This Islamic faith declared war on America?
    Guess we should bomb Malaysia, right?

  15. Steve says:

    Note the operative.

    Islamic State of Iraq and Syria

  16. Winston Smith says:

    Why play semantics with DARPA?
    Why get sucked into arguing that violent extremist Muslims are violent extremist Muslims?

    Sykes-Picot agreement, 1916.

    Oh, look what Matt Drudge said today: http://www.infowars.com/drudge-tweets-america-has-been-arming-isis/

  17. Barbara says:

    Has there ever been one country that was majority Muslim that allowed the practice of other religions or existed peacefully with non-Muslims?

  18. nyp says:

    yes.
    1. Most of the Middle East for the past 1000 years.
    2. Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim country.
    3. Malaysia
    4. Turkey
    5. the UAE

  19. 1. “Most of the Middle East for the past 1000 years.” Seriously??? The Battles of Muhammad, Islamic raids, Banu Qurayza massacres, the initial Muslim conquests, the Arab Byzantine wars, the Islamic conquest of the Levant, the Islamic conquest of Egypt, the Islamic conquest of North Africa, the Islamic conquest of Persia, the Islamic conquest of Afghanistan, the day of Ashura, the burning of the Library of Alexandria, and so on and so forth…argue against it!!!

  20. 2. “Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim country.”

    “Unfortunately, religion has also been the cause of much violence throughout Indonesian history. Regarding its recent history, one important turning point can be discerned. After the fall of president Suharto’s New Order regime (which was marked by a strong central government and a weak civil society) radical Islamic voices and violent (terrorist) acts – previously largely suppressed by the government – found their way to the surface in the form of bomb attacks and other threats. Recently, Indonesian media have reported frequently about attacks by radical Muslims on minority communities, such as the Ahmadiyya community (a movement within Islam) and Christians.”

  21. Oh…and let’s not forget this little tidbit about Indonesia…and caning.

    “BANDA ACEH, Indonesia — A law that makes gay sex punishable by public caning took effect Friday in a conservative Indonesian province. The law in Aceh province stipulates that anyone caught having homosexual sex can face up to 100 strokes of a cane, a fine of up to 1 kilogram (2.2 pounds) of gold (about $37,400) and imprisonment of up to 100 months. Adulterers are also subject to 100 lashes of a cane, but not to the fine or imprisonment.”

  22. 3. “Malaysia.” “In Malaysia, caning wins support among Muslims. The end of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan this weekend could see Islamic authorities in Malaysia carry out the country’s first caning sentence on a woman, a punishment that is fast gaining support.”

  23. 4. “Turkey.”

    “Only those who are mindful of history can fully appreciate the significance of Turkey’s expected admission to the European Union. The bitterness spawned by centuries of warfare and political rivalry has now given way to a new era of diplomatic and economic engagement. Yet, Turkey’s troublesome record of human-rights abuses remains a considerable stumbling block for a few wary EU nations. In particular, the Ankara government is still prone to crack down on ethnic and religious minorities when perceived as a threat to nationalist identity. A sign of the government’s suspicion: non-Muslim clergy are still forbidden from training there. Many Greek and Armenian Christians in Turkey suffer the double ignominy of religious and ethnic marginalization.”

  24. 4. “Turkey”…continued. “America and the United Kingdom, and other nations, often claim that Turkey is a beacon of hope and that it is evidence that democracy and secularism can exist within a mainly Muslim nation state. However, during this so-called “golden age” of secularism it is clear that religious and ethnic minorities have suffered greatly in modern day Turkey. Therefore, how true is it that Turkey is secular? If we look at the founding father of modern day Turkey, Kemal Ataturk, then it is clear that he himself supported Turkish nationalism and the destruction of Christianity which continued to take place after the Armenian, Assyrian and Greek Orthodox Christian genocide of 1915.”

  25. 5. “the UAE.”

    “The UAE has sharia courts but its civil and criminal courts also apply elements of sharia, codified into its criminal code and family law, in a way which discriminates against women,” said a spokesman.
    “Under their interpretation it’s permissible for a husband to physically chastise his wife and it is a crime for a woman to work without her husband’s permission, for example.
    “So while the UAE’s civil and sharia courts apply the principle of ‘in the best interests of the child’ in cases relating to the residence [custody] of a child, the discrimination women suffer in other areas of the law may mean they don’t get a fair trial in these hearings.”
    Human Rights Watch also warned that there are no independent women’s rights organisations in the UAE.”

  26. Barbara says:

    A Muslim teacher from Turkey has told me he no longer visits Turkey because it is becoming more radicalized. He said the last time he was there, the Christian churches had been “walled” up – meaning they were no longer able to openly practice their faith.

    Islam is portrayed falsely as a religion that co-exists with other religions when in fact it does not and has not in any country in which it becomes the majority. Since this has been true for centuries, Islam must change and acknowledge the right of all people to have differing religious beliefs. Any religion that will not recognize the fundamental right to worship God as one sees fit without beatings, beheadings, or paying taxes should not be allowed to exist in America. Any Imam who teaches otherwise should be prosecuted and the mosque closed.

  27. That’s kind a of Catch-22, Barbara, but I can see why you’d feel that way. We need to watch for violence and conspiracies.

  28. nyp says:

    So the feeling here is that we should have a religious war against Islam. And Islam “should not be allowed to exist in America.”

    That pretty much sums up what conservatives have turned into.

  29. Steve says:

    Islamic war already declared on the USA, nypatric…how soon you forget.

    Or purposely ignore.

  30. Nyp says:

    It is what you insinuate and what your commenters say out loud.

  31. Steve says:

    “Our goal is not to deter or contain ISIS but to defeat and destroy ISIS.”

    Didn’t know this came from this board, thanks, nypatric!

  32. Rincon says:

    Interesting how Liberals and Conservatives change places. The President of the University of Oklahoma shut down a fraternity and “persuaded” two students to withdraw from the University because of a video of a bunch of frat boys singing a “violent racist chant”. The President said zero tolerance is the only way to stop racism. Contrast that to a popular book that advocates the slaughter of people because of their religious faiths (the Koran, of course). Liberals defend those who worship the contents of that book, but advocate ostracizing the students. Conservatives rail against Muslims, but defend the free speech rights (and perhaps right to privacy) of the students. Neither side can be accused of being consistent.

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