No profiling allowed

Federal agents had a spy inside the Branch Davidians, but after a lengthy series of AP stories in 2011 decrying NYPD spying on radical mosques federal agencies have largely taken a hands off approach to mosques.

But are their mosques where the Boston Marathon bombers and the Tennessee military base shooter found their inspirations?

An Investor’s Business Daily editorial in 2013 stated it thusly:

The White House assures that tracking our every phone call and keystroke is to stop terrorists, and yet it won’t snoop in mosques, where the terrorists are.

That’s right, the government’s sweeping surveillance of our most private communications excludes the jihad factories where homegrown terrorists are radicalized.

Since October 2011, mosques have been off-limits to FBI agents. No more surveillance or undercover string operations without high-level approval from a special oversight body at the Justice Department dubbed the Sensitive Operations Review Committee.

Today’s IBD editorial states bluntly: “We have to confront the ugly truth that many of our own Muslims are at war with us.” And there don’t seem to be enough of those peaceful Muslims Obama keeps talking about informing on would-be jihadists.

TheChattanooga shooter and his family reportedly attended a mosque founded by Pakistani immigrants.

The two men who tried to shoot up a Dallas conference featuring contest for Mohammad cartoons attended a Phoenix mosque and the man who tried to behead Boston cops attended the same mosque as the marathon bombers. The Fort Hood shooter attended a local mosque.

But law enforcement is damned if it does and damned if doesn’t. The New York Times carried a story in 2009 with the lede:

The anxiety and anger have been building all year. In March, a national coalition of Islamic organizations warned that it would cease cooperating with the F.B.I. unless the agency stopped infiltrating mosques and using “agents provocateurs to trap unsuspecting Muslim youth.”

Law enforcement could use a little cooperation to trap unsuspecting and gullible youths.

But no profiling is allowed.

Recruiting office shot up. (AP photo)

 

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12 comments on “No profiling allowed

  1. agent provocateur says:

    Reblogged this on Nevada State Personnel Watch.

  2. Rincon says:

    Can’t defend the administration on this one. They’re wrong, wrong, rawng.

  3. Patrick says:

    Should we also profile conservative groups, outspoken in their anti-tax positions, when deciding issues related to their tax exempt status?

    Is it acceptable to target right wing militia groups, and their supporters who don’t “tell” on their right wing militia friends, when devoting resources to anti-terrorism?

    Should we target gun shows, that draw a largely right wing customer, since, as we learned after the Oklahoma City terrorist attack, that those terrorists are likely to obtain weapons at those shows?

    It’s odd that in consecutive articles Thomas, you call out the nefarious “big brother” or “1984” totalitarianistic actions (of a democratic administration I’ll note) on one hand but suggest other actions like profiling that could only be described as a “thought” crime prevention effort.

    Either it’s acceptable to use these profiling efforts to combat, yes even white American terrorists like the rednecks that tried to assassinate president Obama in 2012 from “F.E.A.R.” and overthrow the US government (or at least the democratic administration in place) and other right wing groups that are linked to “tax protesters” (like the TEA Party/Patriot groups that the IRS investigated and was roundly castigated for by the right wing) along with Muslim places of religion, or it’s not.

    Otherwise, using these efforts to “investigate” just groups YOU don’t see as worthy of your trust, seems like a thought crime.

  4. Using past data to anticipate future behavior is a thoughtcrime.

  5. Patrick says:

    Then how is profiling Muslims appropriate?

  6. Steve says:

    That flew by Patrick so fast it would have left burn marks if it made any contact.

  7. Winston Smith says:

    The conundrum of having a free society is that there will always be those that use their freedoms to undermine those freedoms, one way or another. How can we promote and guarantee liberty even for those that wish to destroy it? As I recall, Lysander Spooner suggested expelling people from town if they ever tried to reduce freedom.

    “Revolutions like this have happened in almost every country in Europe: similar examples are to be found in ancient Greece and ancient Rome: instances of the people losing their liberty by their own carelessness and the ambition of a few. We are cautioned…against faction and turbulence: I acknowledge that licentiousness is dangerous, and that it ought to be provided against: I acknowledge also the new form of Government may effectually prevent it: Yet, there is another thing it will as effectually do: it will oppress and ruin the people…I am not well versed in history, but I will submit to your recollection whether liberty has been destroyed most often by the licentiousness of the people or by the tyranny of rulers? I imagine, Sir, you will find the balance on the side of tyranny.” – Patrick Henry

    BTW, patrick, the feds were behind the Oklahoma City bombing…

  8. Rincon says:

    Randomly placing agents into mosques may indeed be inappropriate, but if done on the basis of intelligence acquired, it’s the same as infiltrating a motorcycle gang. Perfectly kosher.

  9. Patrick says:

    Winston:

    Yeah, of course it was. As a libertarian, you’d be thrown out of the clan for even thinking otherwise.

    As I said before, I’ve never know a libertarian who didn’t attribute ALL bad in the world, no matter how ridiculous it is, to the big bad government.

  10. Winston Smith says:

    Here’s the latest meme from the left, let’s see if it spreads…among the unthinking…

  11. Winston Smith says:

    And how does that tie in with this?

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