There goes the neighborhood

Obama in his weekend radio address announced he is going to use the money and power of the federal government to move poor people out of their ghettos and into wealthier neighborhoods, which will magically improve the lives of everyone.

He was keying off a recent Supreme Court ruling that said one need not prove someone intentionally discriminated in housing but merely that there are disparate-impacts.

“In some cities, kids living just blocks apart lead incredibly different lives,” Obama said. “They go to different schools, play in different parks, shop in different stores, and walk down different streets.  And often, the quality of those schools and the safety of those parks and streets are far from equal – which means those kids aren’t getting an equal shot in life.”

The New York Times editorialists immediately cheered the move, writing, “The fact that it has taken nearly 50 years since the law’s (Fair Housing Act) passage for these common-sense changes to materialize is all the more distressing, given that federally sanctioned housing discrimination has played a central role in racial ghettoization.”

But the same editorial pages back in September carried an op-ed piece pointing out that past programs, such as Section 8 vouchers, which paid the rent for poor people in higher-income neighborhoods, had little if any effect. Studies have found that “changing neighborhoods alone may not be sufficient to improve labor market or schooling outcomes for very disadvantaged families” and the voucher program had “no consistent detectable impacts on adult economic self-sufficiency or children’s educational achievement outcomes, even for children who were too young to have enrolled in school at baseline.”

Investor’s Business Daily points out in an editorial that the 15-year experiment of moving poor families out of government housing projects and into higher-income and less segregated neighborhoods — called “Moving to Opportunity Initiative” — did not work. “But adults for the most part did not get better jobs or get off welfare. In fact, more went on food stamps. And their children did not do better in their new schools …” IBD noted. “Of course, even when reality mugs leftists, they never scrap their social theories. They just double down.”

HUD’s own study stated, “Families in the experimental group did not experience better employment or income outcomes than the other families. The children in the Section 8 and experimental groups did not have better educational achievements than those in the control group and were not significantly less likely to engage in most forms of risky or criminal behavior.”

That study actually found that that male youths in the experiment eventually had higher arrest rates: “In the first few years after random assignment, male youth in the experimental group had fewer violent crime arrests and behavior problems than those in the control group. However by three to four years after randomization males in the experimental group were arrested more often than those in the control group, primarily for property crimes, and were also more likely to engage in a variety of other delinquent and risky behaviors.”

So they moved the property crimes from one locale to another.

It is rather like all the studies that show pre-school education programs have no lasting impact, but the do-gooder liberals just keep doubling down with more spending on early childhood programs and all-day kindergarten because in their hearts they just know it will eventually work despite all the evidence to the contrary. Does that make them deniers?

“These actions won’t make every community perfect,” Obama said of his executive action. “That’s something we all have to strive for in our own lives. But they will help make our communities stronger and more vibrant. And they’ll help keep this a country where kids from every background can grow up knowing that no matter who you are, what you look like, or where you live, you can write your own story.”

Whether it is fact or fiction is neither here nor there.

How long has it been since LBJ declared the war on poverty? How long before someone tries something that actually works instead of doubling down on the same failed social engineering programs over and over?



32 comments on “There goes the neighborhood

  1. CF says:

    Obama cannot legally make communities diverse in the way he thinks. His Marxist policies are destroying the country. What is appalling, our representatives refuse to stand up to him. He is no lame duck. It is long past time we in Nevada start looking to our representatives and demanding they represent the people and not the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Karl Rove and a host of other RINO’s who are willing to aid Obama with his policies of division, racism, cronyism etc. Enough is enough.

  2. Winston Smith says:

    If Democrats couldn’t engineer socials, what would they do with themselves?

    They just can’t admit to themselves that these changes they’ve pushed for over the last few decades have hurt families, which, obviously, hurts people. Yes, sometimes people are helped, but the increase in dependency, immorality and indecency is destroying our culture.

    But liberals don’t want to hear that, since it goes against all of their programming…

    War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength

  3. Steve says:

    Our neighborhood section 8 house had a mother and disabled son in it until the boy got out of school and the mother died. Her other son was not supposed to be living there but he did anyway and his influence almost destroyed the life of the next door neighbor’s boy. He has managed to correct himself and actually was able to take over his parents house. But he will tell anyone who listens the crook who lived (illegally) in that section 8 house (I say crook because the guy is now in jail for the 4th time) influenced his life a lot.

    Now we have another person in that house, she was shocked they gave her a house…

    get that? “Gave” her a house.

    What am I working for? Maybe I need to just take the downsize and go on welfare. I can get all the info I need from my section 8 neighbor….

    Medicaid and free houses…that is the war on poverty as it plays out in real life.


  4. Winston Smith says:

    Oh, forgot to say, this is also Agenda 21 driven, to make people more controllable. Standard tyranny bullshit, brought to you by the fascist/globalist banksters and their klepto-republicrat minions.

    And by minions, I don’t mean cute, little yellow guys…

    Ooops, was that racist?

  5. nyp says:

    It’s all a plot to get Those People to live near us. Who would want that?

  6. Steve says:

    It’s not a plot at all…it’s as real as it gets. The section 8 I describe is directly across the street from my house.

  7. CF says:

    NYP another white guilt statement, gosh what would we do without them. People of all backgrounds live in places they can afford period. I can’t live next to Harry Reid because I cannot afford it. NYP use common sense, this is not about race or status it is about government over reach and social engineering and if your willing to give up your freedom fine; but I am not giving up mine for you.

  8. Steve says:

    Here is the record for that “deserving” person who was in the section 8 (names and case numbers redacted to remain anonymous)

    JC Department 6
    Bound Over to District Court

    JC Department 8
    Bound Over to District Court
    EX-FELON POSSESSION OF FIREARM (I saw them take that shotgun out of the house)

    JC Department 9
    Bound Over to District Court

    JC Department 12

    JC Department 2
    Bound Over to District Court

    JC Department 8
    Bound Over to District Court

    JC Department 2
    Poss sch I, II, III, IV c/s, (3+) [51129]
    Poss sch I, II, III, IV c/s, (3+) [51129]
    Poss sch I, II, III, IV c/s, (3+) [51129]
    Poss dang drug w/o p-scrpt, (1st/2nd) [51358]
    Poss dang drug w/o p-scrpt, (1st/2nd) [51358]
    Poss dang drug w/o p-scrpt, (1st/2nd) [51358]

  9. nyp says:

    You could well be onto something, Mr. Mitchell. After all, under the Obama Administration solar and wind energy consumption has tripled, and solar costs are approaching Moore’s Law-style price reductions.

    As you say, it is all part of the plan.

  10. Steve says:

    Solar Panels are not cell phones.

    Hold the mobile phone. While solar panels have become cheaper in recent years, they are still the most expensive way to generate electricity, and still far more expensive than fossil fuels — especially in natural gas-rich regions like Africa.

    Solar panels declined from $77 per watt in the late 1970s to less than $1 per watt today. That sounds impressive until you consider that the cost of computer chips — which are used for the circuit board of the phone — are today one one-millionth the cost (per unit power) in the late 1970s.

    Solar-powered micro-grids can provide very basic energy access, and they are gaining traction, especially where they replace costly diesel generators in remote regions. But they remain expensive, provide extremely low levels of electricity, and depend on back-up generators to keep the lights on when the sun isn’t shining. (The new IPCC report acknowledges the challenge of integrating intermittent renewable energy into energy systems.)

    In the end, information is not electricity, and comparing them is inappropriate and deliberately misleading. (nyp)

  11. Winston Smith says:

    “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years……It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.”
    ― David Rockefeller

    “For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure–one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
    ― David Rockefeller, from his memoirs.

  12. Winston Smith says:

    Here is what my hometown is doing, and a lot of people don’t like it:

  13. Solar still can’t compete without subsidies.

  14. nyp says:

    I just read that New Yorker article about what is likely to happen to the Pacific Northwest. It is terrifying.

  15. nyp says:

    That first David Rockefeller quote — thanking Time Magazine for not reporting his plans for world domination, etc. — is, of course, a complete and total fabrication. No surprise, given that it is offered by someone who believes that 9/11 was a US government conspiracy.

    What is it with you wingnuts and phony baloney quotations?

  16. Steve says:

    Doesn’t change the fact Rockefeller is an unabashed internationalist. He really does want one world government.

  17. Patrick says:

    It’s always amusing to see people attack the Rockefellers now for some nefarious intention towards subverting the democratic processes.

    I suppose they’ve long forgotten John Rockefeller’s subversion of the democratic processes when he (and the other “great capitalists”) of his day installed a president in this country to do their bidding.

    Maybe it’s the devotion to the “limited government” that was so subjugated in that fashion, that has so dulled their recollections.

  18. Winston Smith says:

    Patrick, I assume you’re referring to FDR?

    Hilaire du Berrier was the publisher of the Monte Carlo-based Hilaire du Berrier Report. Mr. Du Berrier closely followed and chronicled the activities of Bilderberg and its overlapping groups, for over four decades. In a September of 1991 issue of the Hilaire du Berrier Report (also reported elsewhere in the French press), David Rockefeller addressed media facilitators at the 1991 annual Bilderberg meeting in Baden-Baden, Germany. In his talk, Mr. Rockefeller, a member of the Bilderbergers, former Director on the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) (1949-1985) and co-founder of the Trilateral Commission, thanked them (most of whom are also members of one or more of these groups) for their “discretion”:

  19. Patrick says:

    Winston you assume wrong. But you knew that.

  20. Winston Smith says:

    There’s barely been a president in the last century that wasn’t installed by the elite fascist/globalists.

    But you knew that…

  21. nyp says:

    Your citation is not to a primary source document (a newspaper, transcript, etc.) but to a crazy wingnut site that references a crazy conspiracy theorist who somehow claims to have had access to a confidential meeting in 1991. That’s your authority.
    The absurd quote is obviously bogus, as wikiquotes has noted. But, what would one expect from someone who also believes that 9/11 was a US government plot?

  22. Steve says:

    That still doesn’t change the fact Rockefeller is an unabashed internationalist who really does want one world government.

  23. Patrick says:

    Well Winston, as an “elite” member of the “we know everything about the global conspiracy, and you all know nothing” I will not disagree with you since it wouldn’t change a thing.

    But, I thought that the elite, like you, constantly yammer about how the (relatively) “limited government” that existed in this country in the late 19th century was the golden age of the country? At least relatively speaking, cause everybody got to do more of what they wanted to do (especially not paying income tax) oh and corrupting every business in the country, along with killing basically whoever they wanted to without repercussions? Cause I mean, that’s what happens in a world without a government right? Back when those REAL “capitalists” (you know the guys you elite seem to worship) decided to corrupt the entire democratic system and install McKinley as their lackey?

    Yeah, that real good limted government we had.

  24. Steve says:

    Meet the new boss, same as the old…….

    See what I did there?

  25. Winston Smith says:

    DARPA, the Bilderbergers don’t publish the minutes of their meetings, or send them to one of your approved MSM sources. Nevertheless, people that have attended the meetings occasionally leak details that others will publish. After all, it is a conspiracy, and they don’t want the hoi polloi to know what is going on.

    Sorry I don’t have Rockefeller saying it on video, but there are videos of WTC 7 collapsing at nearly free-fall speed, something you still haven’t explained.

    Patrick, it’s really sad how little you seem to understand about some of our views of corrupt government. Don’t worry, I don’t worship the Gilded Age control freaks any more than today’s control freaks…

  26. Patrick says:

    Winston what I do understand is that no matter the problem, or the cause, libertarians knee jerk to a “it’s the governments fault” response.

  27. Steve says:

    As opposed to the liberal (default) knee jerk ” government is the only answer”

  28. Rincon says:

    Don’t forget about those shadows on the Apollo Moonlander – proves that we never really went to the moon!

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