Ozone regs: EPA tells Nevada to suck it up

The EPA today issued regulations that slash the levels of ozone allowed in the air.

“Bringing ozone pollution standards in line with the latest science will clean up our air, improve access to crucial air quality information, and protect those most at-risk,” said EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy, according to The Hill.

The order cuts allowable ground-level ozone from 75 parts per billion to between 65 and 70 ppb with plans to further lower that to 60 ppb.

Air from the ozone-rich stratosphere sometimes “intrudes” down to the surface in the springtime in the Intermountain West, making it harder for some regions to meet health-based standards for ozone pollution. (Credit: Meiyun Lin, Princeton University and NOAA’s Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory)

While ozone is generally a byproduct of burning fossil fuels, it is also naturally occurring.

In fact, according to a recent study, a lot of the ground-level ozone in the Great Basin area comes from something called stratospheric intrusions that bring air from the stratosphere down to the surface.

Researchers took readings from a mountain top 30 miles northwest to Las Vegas and found that stratospheric intrusions added at least 30 ppb to the natural ozone level, which is usually 50 to 60 ppb. That pushes level to 80 ppb and violates EPA’s new standards, as well as the current standard.

The study also noted the region gets a lot of ozone from California and Asia, as well as wildfires.

National Association of Manufacturers estimates that the ozone rule could cost $270 billion a year —the most expensive regulation in history.

To which McCarthy replies, “Special-interest critics will try to convince you that pollution standards chase away local jobs and businesses, but, in fact, healthy communities attract new businesses, new investment, and new jobs.”

Compliance will mean shutting down or modifying power plants, factories, heavy-duty vehicles, farm equipment, off-road vehicles and passenger cars. For Nevadans it will cost $23 million more to own and operate vehicles.

Maybe the EPA will next ban people from living in Nevada. That might be the only way to comply with the new rule.

Or maybe the EPA will relent. Don’t hold your breath.

115 comments on “Ozone regs: EPA tells Nevada to suck it up

  1. nyp says:

    ” The agency estimates that the economic benefits of the rule – measured in avoided asthma attacks, heart attacks, missed school and work days and premature deaths – would significantly outweigh the costs. It calculates the benefits at $6.4 billion to $13 billion annually in 2025 for a standard of 70 parts per billion and $19 billion to $38 billion annually in 2025 for a standard of 65 parts per billion.”

  2. I thought premature deaths saved money.

  3. Rincon says:

    Ozone from the stratosphere is just as dangerous as ozone from the tailpipe. Nevertheless, stratospheric intrusions would indeed raise the ground level ozone to the point where it may be impractical to enforce a blanket limit of 60 or 65 ppb. Since it only occurs for a few days in a year in only a small portion of the country, it would obviously be ridiculous to add 30ppb or so to the regs to insure that no one gets fined for the problems caused by stratospheric intrusions.
    Much easier to merely grant partial exemption for those days and areas affected by the intrusions. If that’s not practical, then sudden rises of 30 ppb or so could be presumed to be from intrusions and then made exempt. It shouldn’t pose a significant problem as long as government keeps its head out of its hindquarters.

  4. Governments only do blankets.

  5. Vernon Clayson says:

    Nyp’s BS offsets any gain in air quality the world over, that aside, perhaps the EPA should check the air quality during riots, think of all the foul things going up in the smoke of car fires mixing with smoke from burning buildings and tear gas used to control rioting anarchists. As for saving billions in 2025, with the rate of inflation continuing as it does these libs will say it saved trillions, AND all because of the Obama administration’s leadership. A caveat, he may still be in office in 2025 if things continue as they are.

  6. Winston Smith says:

    Where is the EPA mentioned in the Constitution? Under interstate or international affairs?

    Commerce clause? Oh yeah, the tyrant’s excuse to meddle in every American hamlet…

    P.S. Hey petey, you never did say how you determine when to post about ObamaCare on off-subject threads.

  7. Nyp says:

    “rate of inflation continuing as it does …”
    WTF???
    Vern, you do realize that the 70s are over, don’t you?

  8. Steve says:

    Gas prices dropping…good for the economy….bad for enviro extremists…got to do something (anything) to raise the price of gas…not to mention the 1%r’s supporting libby dems are now reaping smaller profits on gasoline…or (as a lib would put it) losing money they would have had if the prices stayed high…tighten the noose on the bottom 150 million with those regs…good idea!

  9. Winston Smith says:

    These new lyrics to “Your Time is Gonna Come” off of Led Zeppelin I started coming to me in the shower this morning. Dedicated to the fascist/globalist banksters and their minions everywhere…

    Lyin’, cheatin’, hurtin, that’s all you seem to do.
    Messin’ around with every law in town,
    Puttin’ me down for thinkin’ that somethin’s screwed.
    Always the same, playin’ your game,
    Drive me insane, trouble is gonna come to you,
    One of these days and it won’t be long,
    We’ll see you for what you are, then you’ll be gone.
    This is all I gotta say to you banksters:

    [Chorus]
    Your time is gonna come (x4)

    Made up my mind to break you this time,
    Will be so fine, it’s my turn to try.
    Do what you want, I won’t take the brunt.
    You’re fadin’ away, won’t see you anymore.
    Don’t care what you say ‘cause you’re goin’ away to stay,
    Gonna make you pay for all your manipulatin’ in our lives.

    People talkin’ all around,
    Watch out fascist bastards, no longer
    Is the joke gonna be on our account.
    You been bad to our nation,
    But it’s comin’ back right at you.

    [Repeat Chorus]

    Here’s the original song for you non-Zep fans:

  10. nyp says:

    Actually, the Consumer Price Index for Food, as calculated by USDA’s Economic Research Service, has been quite low. The most recent CPI for all food has risen all of 3.1% since October 2013. Some individual food items rose more than the average (milk, eggs, poultry) while other rose less (sugar, beverages, other meats). That is how averages work.
    http://tinyurl.com/6ojx823

    Only the type of person who thinks that 9/11 was a government conspiracy and that Abraham Lincoln was a tyrant would think that we are currently experiencing worrysome or uncontrolled inflation.

  11. Steve says:

    OK

    It’s “let them eat cake”.

    Thanks, nyp

  12. Winston Smith says:

    And Happy Thanksgiving to you too, petey!

  13. nyp says:

    That reminds me of something. Since 2009 — if not earlier — the right has been warning that the Fed’s extraordinary actions taken to counteract the Great Recession would lead to runious, uncontrolled inflation, the debasement of the dollar, the turning of the US economy into a larger version of Greece, etc., etc.
    None of that has happened. The dollar is in good shape, the deficit has plummeted, and our primary concern price-wise is destabalizing deflation, not inflation.
    Given those facts, have any of you considered whether your economic theories should be re-evaluated in light of how they have fared under real-world conditions? Have you considered the possibility that the people upon whom you rely for your economic opinions are not very reliable?

  14. Steve says:

    Japan in recession.

    US Dollar is the worlds reserve currency…we are living the socialist dream, other peoples money is supporting your economic sleight of hand.

  15. Rincon says:

    It’s obvious that many countries more socialized than we are thriving, so why does it frighten you so much? Whether they’re a touch better off or worse off than us is splitting hairs. Look at anyone’s life quality index – there are a lot of them out there – and you will find the U.S. beating some of these so called socialist hell holes, but several of them beat us. Your fear of so called socialism borders on religion since it’s a matter of faith rather than based on evidence. We do have an edge on all of them in one way though: We have a lot more billionaires than they do, and they’re richer.

  16. Winston Smith says:

    Let’s see, the Fed’s easy-money policy helped create the housing bubble, which some Austrian school economists certainly saw coming, then after the burst, the Fed Q/E’d everything, using public debt to save the asses of the major banks, who were theoretically going to spread their new wealth/debt, but instead have been sitting on it, to one extent or another, which may explain the lack of inflation.

    I’m just a old country programmer, but whenever the Fed is involved, The Fix is always in.

    http://www.activistpost.com/2014/11/the-federal-reserve-is-at-heart-of-debt.html

  17. Athos says:

    petey, your doomsday financial prediction is here. There are certain laws of the universe (and money supply) that can’t be stopped, no matter HOW smart man thinks he is.

    And anyone that shops for food in today’s market KNOWS that the price of food is skyrocketing. I wouldn’t trust anything the government says about CPI because they just keep changing what they measure. (cause IF they ever had to tell the truth, every senior would be getting a big fat raise! – and just exactly WHO’S gonna pay for all of that???)

  18. Athos says:

    I forgot to check the box…..

  19. Nyp says:

    I see. There is a government conspiracy to alter the official statistics.

    So is your position that we already have roaring inflation? Or is it that uncontrolled inflation is, as it has been for years, just around the corner?

  20. Athos says:

    Are you trying to tell us that the government didn’t alter the way they figure cost of living back in the 90’s, petey? If you don’t know of the rising cost of food, try asking your Mom (you know, the one that shops at the grocery store!)

  21. Rincon says:

    Splitting hairs. The true cost of living is not only difficult to measure, but each individual’s cost of living is different because we all purchase different things. It also morphs over time because of technological change, etc. Besides, The “tax” of inflation is far smaller than the outsized premium we pay to our ultrarich brethren for their contribution to the increased productivity we have experienced over the past 35 years. The average family would make $18,000 a year if no such premium existed.

  22. Athos says:

    But the reasons for adjusting the Cost of Living is due to what?, Rinny? You see no ties to the government payments Cost of Living Adjustment increases? How much more would we have to pay (and seniors receive) if Social Security was tied to a Cost of Living increase that included food and energy?

    And whether or not we purchase different things, we all use food and energy. Right?

  23. Nyp says:

    Athos, buddy — that’s whack

  24. Rincon says:

    Completely ignoring the inflation of food and energy would be whack, if that’s what they did. I don’t believe food and energy are ignored though, but calculated on a rolling average basis to minimize the large short term gyrations that occur with these items. Any other way would make meaningful interpretation difficult.

  25. Athos says:

    Don’t know how you feel about Walter Williams, but here is his take on this:

    http://www.shadowstats.com/article/consumer_price_index

  26. Athos says:

    Of course, if you call him “whacked”, you’re a racist!

  27. nyp says:

    Actually, shadowstates is famously, hilariously, whacked.
    And you are whacked for getting getting this whacked-out Walter Williams confused with the other whacked-out Walter Williams.

  28. Athos says:

    Well, since we’re on the subject of “whacked out” and AG Holder has challenged us as a nation to discuss race relations, here’s something that can’t be classified as “cowardice”:

    http://www.fredoneverything.net/Ferguson2.shtml

  29. nyp says:

    Well, Athos, that link is to something disgracefully racist, and it confirms that you are disgracefully racist as well.

  30. A link to a provocative article makes one racist? Free speech, free press, free debate RIP.

  31. nyp says:

    Don’t be cute, Mr. Mitchell. It is not simple a “link to a provocative article.” It is an admiring link to one of the most disgustingly racist diatribes I have encountered in recent memory.
    Here is the first paragraph of the essay that Athos thinks is so heroic:

    “Why the eerie incapacity of underclass blacks to understand evidence, or law, or much of anything?” Of the countless explanations given for the poor performance and poor behavior of blacks in the US, one of them dares not speak its name: Low intelligence.”

    It goes downhill from there. Wait until you get to the part where he endorses segregated schools. Or his prediction of a coming “race war.

    The question for you, Mr. Mitchell, and for the few others who frequent this blog, is do you agree with this crap? Do you think it is within the bounds of civilized discussion? Or do you recognize it as horribly racist? Think carefully before you answer, Mr. Mitchell. After all, you are the only one on this blog with a public reputation. Even in your retirement, do you really wish to be thought of as someone who could not bring himself to condemn such an awful essay?

    I have always considered your political views to be incredibly extreme, Mr. Mitchell, but I have never thought you a racist, even when, incredibly, you called Abraham Lincoln a “tyrant.” So I will be very interested in how you characterize the vile, racist article that Athos thinks is so much worth reading.

  32. Steve says:

    For if Men are to be precluded from offering their Sentiments on a matter, which may involve the most serious and alarming consequences, that can invite the consideration of Mankind, reason is of no use to us; the freedom of Speech may be taken away, and, dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep, to the Slaughter.

  33. nyp says:

    Oh, what complete bullshit. Stop covering yourself with the First Amendment.
    What do you think of the essay to which Athos referred so admiringly?

  34. Steve says:

    I defend his right to read it as I defend the writers right to express it. I do not have to agree with it to defend its existence.

    You seem to wish it banned from public view. For that, I am saddened for you.

  35. nyp says:

    Perhaps I will be pillored by the politically correct crowd, but here’s a link to something forthright that, in view of recent discussions about race relations, really deserves to be read:

    http://tinyurl.com/2w86yl

    I’m sure Athos will agree with me.

  36. Steve says:

    Ahh, you went Nazi on the subject…the first one to go Nazi concedes the argument…It’s blogger rule.

    😉

  37. nyp says:

    A mere link to a provocative piece of writing?
    Free speech, free press, free debate RIP.

  38. Steve says:

    Concession noted.

  39. nyp says:

    so, what do you think of the essay linked-to by Athos?

  40. Steve says:

    I do not support the writers opinions.

    Moreover, I believe Athos was baiting you, nyp.

  41. Winston Smith says:

    Am I a racist for posting this?

  42. nyp says:

    Here is someone else whose voice deserves to heard above all the political correctness on racial issues:
    http://tinyurl.com/pafnsxy

  43. Steve says:

    nyp won’t do vids but THIS is one he should listen to.

  44. nyp says:

    I don’t know: does Pastor “James David Manning” say that African-Americans are genetically inferior and that society should be segregated along racial lines? If so, then you are pretty much a racist if you link to his statements and appear to endorse them, the way Athos does.

  45. Steve says:

    AS usual, nyp reads only what nyp wishes the words say.
    Athos called the link he posted “whacked”

    nyp took the bait. Complete with hook,line and sinker.

  46. nyp says:

    Silence from Athos.
    And, much more disappointingly, silence from Thomas Mitchell.

  47. Steve says:

    Athos posts in bursts.
    Mitch like free speech and supports it on his site.

    Pull the hook out,nyp. It only hurts for a little bit.

  48. Silence? I read it. I neither approve nor condemn. I continue to evaluate, without making instant judgment based on bias.

  49. Athos says:

    Well, it would appear that AG Holder was correct, wouldn’t it? Was I the only one watching Ferguson burn Monday nite? My reaction was “what’s wrong with these people?” Nor do I feel I was alone being angry at what I was witnessing. Then I read Fred Reed’s article, and many points rang true. (with a little voice that said, “uh-oh. Are we allowed to even say these things out loud?”)

    Do we see a continuing hostility of blacks towards whites? Is Michael Brown (the Gentle Giant) the face of the next wave of civil unrest? The NAACP is marching to the governor’s mansion in MO. and comparing it to the Dr. King march from Selma to Montgomery back in the 60’s. Really, fellas?

    Are we not supposed to call out this overreach? At what point are we to state “enough!” Michael Brown was NO gentle giant. And what you’re doing is a crime against your community in particular and society in general.

    Admittedly, I hide behind a pseudonym so my next statement isn’t all that brave. But it’s time to end the cowardice and speak truth to all. Who’s the coward that won’t have a discussion about race?

  50. Nyp says:

    So Athos’s vile racism is now confirmed.

    And I am so disappointed in Thomas Mitchell.

  51. Athos says:

    No conversation, petey? Just paint my reaction to the Ferguson riots as vile racism? Now tell me who’s afraid to have a dialogue about race in America?

  52. Steve says:

    All but one of the 16 people arrested while protesting outside of Ferguson police headquarters Friday night were from out-of-state, including eight from New York City.
    ABC News.

    Out of state interlopers and agitators. Half of them from New York City.
    Should make Nyp all proud of his peeps in the city.

  53. Nyp says:

    No conversation to be had with someone like Athos who approvingly passes along essays that describe African-Americans as genetically inferior and endorses racial segregation. Repulsive behavior, but not surprising.

    Much more shocking is the refusal of the former editor of a major American newspaper to say anything about the racism promoted on the pages of his blog other than that he “neither approves nor condemns it.” It is obvious that the idea of giving “bigotry no sanction” has no appeal to him.

  54. I approve free speech. I condemn attempts to gag it.

  55. nyp says:

    Your read an article, approvingly posted in the comments section of your blog, that claimed that African-Americans are genetically inferior, that advocated segregated education, and that predicts a coming race war. Your evaluation of this horrible, racist piece of writing? ” I neither approve nor condemn. I continue to evaluate, without making instant judgment based on bias.”

    That is truly shocking. You are not an ignoramus like “Athos.” You are someone who once held a position of some influence in your state. That someone like you is not willing to say a single word in opposition to KKK-like sentiments sends a very disturbing message.

  56. It is disturbing that I don’t try to squelch free speech? Even speech with which I disagree?

  57. Athos says:

    All the slanderous names, petey? Not one word on content. Not accurate word, anyway. Is Cokie Roberts a vile, ignorant racist? On the talk shows, today, she wondered why more black cops aren’t patrolling black neighborhoods; as if black people would not attack black officers. Pardon me, but that sounds like she’s agreeing with segregated societies!
    As to genetically inferior, the article I posted spoke of a lower intelligence of a race of people explaining the need for racial preferences. Is this not true? If I am to make your leap in logic, my race is genetically inferior to Asians, due to their scoring higher on IQ tests.
    Regardless, there is no excuse for people to “burn the bitch down” because they didn’t get the results they demanded. That’s infintile.

  58. Athos says:

    And peculiar to one race of people, isn’t it?

  59. nyp says:

    Don’t play games, Mr. Mitchell. No one told your to “squelch” anything. No one.

    The issue is clear: do you condemn the disgusting racist and eugenicist sentiments linked to and endorsed on your blog by one of your commentators?

  60. In 1978, the ACLU defended a neo-Nazi group that wanted to march through the Chicago suburb of Skokie , where many Holocaust survivors lived. The cases the ACLU cited to defend the group’s right to free speech and assembly were the same laws it had invoked during the Civil Rights era, when cities tried to shut down freedom marches.

  61. nyp says:

    Your evasion of the issue continues to trouble, Mr. Mitchell. No one is attacking anyone’s right to express the view, put forward by your racist commentator Athos, that African-Americans are genetically inferior. No one.

    Do you condemn the disgusting racist and eugenicist sentiments linked to and endorsed on your blog by one of your commentators? You have previously said that you refuse to condemn those sentiments. Is that still the case?

  62. Steve says:

    Calling the linked article “whacked out” is no endorsement, nyp.

    You fell for the trap Athos laid out.

    Get over it, in fact get over yourself.

  63. Winston Smith says:

    Oh petey, methinks ye protest too much. You freak out because some blog guy suggests that the disparity in intelligence rankings between various races may be genetic, something that has been discussed around the globe for over a century.

    First question: Does the disparity exist?
    Second question: Is it due to nature or nurture?
    Third question: Can it be reduced?
    Fourth question: If so, how?

    I know, we’ve been trying to implement solutions since the 1960’s, apparently to no avail.

    The fascist/globalist banksters embraced eugenics programs decades ago, and have been doing things quietly to further their programs ever since. Even Margaret Sanger, liberal icon, was perhaps used to that end in Harlem, as Angela Davis claimed in the early 1970’s.

    Personally, I’ve thought Asians were best at math, for some reason or another, since my H.S. Calculus class in 1976, that was all male, and 40% Asian. Just made me want to work a little harder 🙂

    So, instead of constantly reaching for some reason to “call us out” on our supposed racism, sexism, homophobia, or whatever the latest politically correct accusation is, why don’t you discuss it like a regular person, like the rest of us do? After all, the Thought Police haven’t been unleashed by the feds yet…or have they?

    War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength

  64. nyp says:

    Steve, you are the one who fell into the trap. Athos’s post clearly endorses the racist eugenist theories of the former police blotter reporter to whose blog he links. Do you think Athos is being coy when he writes: “As to genetically inferior, the article I posted spoke of a lower intelligence of a race of people explaining the need for racial preferences. Is this not true?” Do you think he is being cute when he endorses segregation?

    So do you, like Mr. Mitchell, refuse to condemn these racist sentiments?

  65. Anonymous says:

    Am I the one endorsing segregation petey? Am I the one that champions Black Studies and Advancement of Black Culture Houses on our college campuses? Black policemen to patrol black areas of cities? Affirmative Action programs that give blacks a helping hand in jobs, and college admissions?

    I don’t think so!

    My personal solution is to hold each person accountable for their own actions. You don’t give a pass to anyone telling a police officer to F-off. You don’t give anyone a pass for looting, and burning down a town. The only possible exception would be those that are mentally handicapped and unaware of what they are doing.

    And Canadian hockey fans that just lost the Stanley Cup play-off.

    You gotta problem with that, petey? Or are you just too busy projecting your elitist mindset on everyone else?

  66. Steve says:

    The post does. But the post being linked by Athos does not make Athos the same as the writings in the post.
    YOU, nyp are now guilty of accusation by association.

    Coming from you, this is grossly prejudiced.

    Especially in light of the FACT you will not condemn the REAL ACTIONS by people from your own city of New York this last Friday night!

    No, Nyp I did not fall for it, you most certainly did and it has clearly illustrated your prejudice and narrow mindedness…

    smh

  67. Athos says:

    BTW, I’m the 3:26pm Anonymous

  68. nyp says:

    Athos, you believe that African-American citizens are genetically inferior, and you endorse racial segregation.

    And, shockingly, Thomas Mitchell is perfectly OK with those sentiments.

  69. Steve says:

    Nyp you are guilty of accusation by association and are prejudiced to any who do not agree with your line of thought.

    Moreover you support those interlopers from your City of New York who went to Ferguson to agitate and stir up trouble among the races where little would have been evident without your fellow New Yorkers getting so “involved”

  70. nyp says:

    Silence now from Thomas Mitchell. I can only conclude that he is comfortable with the racist, eugenicist, segregationist views expressed above.

  71. Steve says:

    Assumption is no proof.

    Guilt by association is prejudice.

    And silence from nyp about his New York interlopers in Ferguson is the height of hypocrisy.

  72. Nyp says:

    You refuse to say a word of disagreement with grossly racist statements both posted and linked to on your blog about the intelligence of African-Americans and the advantages of racial segregation.
    I think that is because you agree with those sentiments.

  73. Athos says:

    Nice article, Tom. I think I agree with James T – “My motto is: ‘It’s only racist if you want it to be.'”

    petey, did you read it? Did you check out what Pastor Manning, and David Wilson were saying? Would it be possible for you to drop the faux outrage, and actually discuss this issue?

    But then again, your kind (socialist) bring nothing to the table, do you? You can’t argue against the truth, so you go into PC feigned indignation. Sad.

    On a separate note, grossly? What happened to vile?

  74. nyp says:

    I am only interested in the fact that you believe that African-Americans are genetically inferior and that racial segregation is a good thing.

    And that Thomas Mitchell, the former editor of a significant metropolitan newspaper, appears to agree with you.

  75. Athos says:

    1. I have no understanding of how you can make the leap from Blacks, as a race, testing at the bottom of the intelligent scale, to me calling them genetically inferior. Asians test above whites in the same intelligence scale, and I don’t believe that Whites are “genetically inferior” to Asians, nor would I say that my race is genetically inferior to Asians. Is this something you believe? Could you possibly expound on why you insist on this mis-characterization?

    2. My post Nov. 30, 3:26pm clearly states that I do not think racial segregation is a good thing. I actually give my solution (which has been echoed from other sources, notably Tom’s posting of James T.) that individuals must take responsibility for their own actions. Why do you misrepresent what I’m saying? Please expound.

    Tom has repeatedly stated his position. Did you read it? Something get into your eye that you missed it? You misstate what I say, and misstate what Tom says, to come up with your own imaginary argument.

    Are you high on illegal drugs or something?

  76. nyp says:

    You forthrightly claim that African-Americans are, as a race, condemned to be less intelligent than white people.

    You approvingly link to a nauseating essay that endorses racial segregation and predicts a “race war,” and which begins with this lovely passage: “Why the eerie incapacity of underclass blacks to understand evidence, or law, or much of anything? Of the countless explanations given for the poor performance and poor behavior of blacks in the US, one of them dares not speak its name: Low intelligence.”

    You are the very definition of a racist.

    Of course, I really don’t care very much what you think, Athos, except to the extent that your views represent a disturbingly large percentage of the electorate. But I am deeply troubled by the fact that Thomas Mitchell, who once represented a purportedly educated segment of Nevada society, having read your words, and the racist essay to you linked, cannot bring himself to say that he condemns those racist sentiments.

  77. Steve says:

    Athos, nyp’s hurting cause he fell for your bait. Hook, line and sinker. AND he cannot bring himself to acknowledge HE is the one who is wrong…if Nyp IS a “HE’ as opposed to a SHE,,,if Nyp is a female then the absolute insistence on always being right would make sense.

  78. nyp says:

    What kind of idiot are you? Athos has repeatedly said, most recently as this afternoon, that he believes that as a race black people are less intelligent than white people.

  79. Steve says:

    No he did not, you nitwit. Try reading IN CONTEXT for a freaking change!

  80. Steve says:

    AND, nyp you are the very definition of a prejudiced racist for refusing to condemn (or even acknowledge) the ACTIONS of people from your own City of New York!

  81. nyp says:

    ” I read Fred Reed’s article, and many points rang true. (with a little voice that said, “uh-oh. Are we allowed to even say these things out loud?”) … The article I posted spoke of a lower intelligence of a race of people explaining the need for racial preferences. Is this not true? ”

    What part of those racist statements do you not understand?

  82. Steve says:

    “Well, since we’re on the subject of “whacked out” and AG Holder has challenged us as a nation to discuss race relations, here’s something that can’t be classified as “cowardice””

    THAT is the comment you bit so hard on, nyp.

    Show ME where it is an endorsement of the link! In fact he calls it “Whacked out” and the bit about not being able to be classified as “cowardice” smacks of real sarcasm to me.

    YOU took it totally out of context and made up a whole series of non factual accusations based on your “guilt by association” attitude!

    What kind of IDIOT are YOU, nyp!

  83. Athos says:

    Hee-hee-hee! That’s an easy question to answer, Steve. petey is a LIBERAL idiot!

  84. Nyp says:

    The part where he says that many of the arguments in the racist essay “rang true.” And the part where he says that it is true that African-American as a race are stupider than white people.

  85. Steve says:

    Nyp! You INSIST on reading out of CONTEXT!

    Admit it, YOU are racist and prejudiced.

    AND you STILL refuse to acknowledge your fellow New Yorkers who decided to agitate in Ferguson! Talk about being a racist IDIOT!

  86. Athos says:

    Uh-oh! Looks like that elite Ivy League school harbors vile racists!

    https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Race_and_intelligence.html

  87. nyp says:

    When someone says that African-Americans as a race are stupider than White Americans, and says that an internet essay filled with racist tropes “rings true,” it is kinda hard to find a “context” in which that is not racist.

  88. Steve says:

    Athos, that link says “do not cite” It is a test page for automatic organizing and gathering of documents.

    This would be a good thing to show to Rincon, since the Veterinarian among us really likes Wikipedia!

    🙂

  89. Steve says:

    Nyp, I read that original post as sarcasm and a hook for you to swallow…which you did with astounding alacrity.

  90. nyp says:

    You read it incorrectly. There is nothing sarcastic about the following: ” I read Fred Reed’s article, and many points rang true. (with a little voice that said, “uh-oh. Are we allowed to even say these things out loud?”) … The article I posted spoke of a lower intelligence of a race of people explaining the need for racial preferences. Is this not true?

    Athos agrees with the writer of the racist article that, as a race, African-Americans a stupider than white people.

    And Thomas Mitchell sees nothing objectionable in that.

  91. Steve says:

    SHOW me EXACTLY where Athos states he fully and completely agrees with the words in the link he posted to bait you with, nyp.

    You CANNOT do this, because ATHOS explicitly called the link “Whacked out”!!!!

    On the OTHER HAND, YOU remain a complete hypocrite because YOU REFUSE to acknowledge your peeps from New York who went to Ferguson only to get arrested!

  92. nyp says:

    Athos: “I read Fred Reed’s article, and many points rang true. (with a little voice that said, “uh-oh. Are we allowed to even say these things out loud?”) … The article I posted spoke of a lower intelligence of a race of people explaining the need for racial preferences. Is this not true? ”

    Thomas Mitchell:” I read it. I neither approve nor condemn.”

  93. Steve says:

    Athos again baited you and you swallowed the hook this time, he asked a question…he DID NOT state he agreed with it. He did say many points rang true…this too is not agreement…it is acknowledgement….which you NYP continue to avoid doing in the issue of your people in Ferguson, you hypocrite!

    Try again. Since you must.

  94. nyp says:

    Oh my goodness, this is just too stupid for words.

  95. Steve says:

    Ahh, there it IS! The concession insult.

  96. nyp says:

    So when Athos, who says that many of the points in the racist article rang true, asks whether the attack on the intelligence of African-Americans not true, he is actually being sarcastic, or ironic, or something, and indicating that he does not agree with the core point of the racist article he has posted.

    Simply incredible.

  97. Steve says:

    Just as fantastic as you saying he does agree with everything in the bait he fed you, nyp.

    Concession formally noted. When are you going to acknowledge and condemn the actions of your city peeps in Ferguson, nyp? Or am I to take it you actually support and approve of those actions (looting, arson and arrested) they took in that town, nyp?
    Happy swallowing.
    smh

  98. Athos says:

    Well, when the New Regime is installed, petey will be abundantly qualified to be a cherished member of the Thought Police!

  99. nyp says:

    yeah, it’s positively Orwellian. A fella like Athos can’t even spread openly racist propaganda and declare African-Americans to be racially inferior without opening himself up to criticism.

    What is this country coming to a man can’t through his internet pseudonym declare African-Americans to be less intelligent than while people without being criticized for it?

    It’s political correctness run amuck, I tell you!

  100. Steve says:

    nyp refrains calling Athos racist by association while openly mocking and trampling the first amendment.

  101. nyp says:

    I certainly have not refrained from calling Athos a racist. He is most definiely a racist. There should not even by an argument over the matter. Since he openly contends that African-Americans as a race are less intelligent than whites, and since he approvingly propagates racist literature, Athos clearly fits the definition of a racist.

    Of course, the view that black people are inferior is not something that Thomas Mitchell feels comfortable condemning.

    As for “openly mocking and trampling the first amendment,” I somehow fail to see how vehemently criticizing on a private blog someone else’s views consitutes a violation of the constitutional prohibition on government supression of speech. But, i gues that’s just me.

  102. Steve says:

    He is most certainly a racist is your opinion.

    And opinions, like assholes, all stink.

  103. Athos says:

    petey, you can call me a picnic basket, but that doesn’t make me one, does it? There is no racism to state inconvenient truths, but you know that, don’t you? It’s all about the narrative with you liberals. My main point is that AG Holder, and you, and those like you, are the real cowards when it comes to race.

    All you can do is try to silence, and intimidate the truth. But it only works if we have tyranny. Then you can pull off the Queen of Heart’s “Off with his head!”

    Bet you can’t wait for that day, eh, petey?

    https://us.search.yahoo.com/search?fr=yhs-invalid&p=Andrew+Klavan+just+shut+up

  104. nyp says:

    You believe that African-Americans as a race are less intelligent than whites. You approvingly propagate hateful racist essays that praise segregation. You are not a picnic basket, but you are, by definition a racist.

    And Thomas Mitchell does not wish to condemn your views.

  105. Athos says:

    Do feel better, petey? Get all that righteous indignation out of your system? That’s nice.

    Now you can tell all you lefty friends how you defended the plight of the poor black man. How your actions have elevated this people, and made you….petey….the Champion of the people-Right On!

    (Maybe you can get a spot on Al Sharpton’s show!)

  106. Athos says:

    Oh, and just so we’re clear, you are saying that blacks, as a race, don’t score lower on IQ tests than whites, Latinos, or Asians, right?

    And that Affirmative Action used by blacks to enter colleges, is not real.

    That is your belief, isn’t it!

  107. nyp says:

    So it is now as clear as it could possibly be: Athos believes that African-Americans, as a race, are genetically inferior. He isn’t “baiting” anyone; he isn’t trying to be intentionally provocative in order to rattle those squishy liberals. He is forthright in his racism.

    We know that Thomas Mitchell does not find anything particularly disturbing in these racist views. I am beginning to suspect that he actually agrees with Athos, but that he cannot quite bring himself to say so out loud.

  108. Steve says:

    A second Amendment event in Washington State!

    http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/breaking-news-woman-edmonds-shoots-home-invasion-s/njG2Q/

    “in the home along with a friend of the 14-year-old. They called 911 before the mother shot the suspect, detectives said.”

    New bumper sticker: (to pair with “When seconds count the police are minutes away”)

    DON’T MESS WITH MOM!

  109. Athos says:

    No, petey. What is clear as it could possibly be is that you are calling me a racist for speaking the truth. You say genetically inferior. I say score lowest in an IQ test. There is a clear and distinct difference between the two. But that doesn’t fit your race baiting narrative, does it? Judging people by the color of their skin, instead of the content of their character, is EXACTLY what Pinocchio, Sharpton, Jackson, and all the other true believers in Black Privilege (including you, petey) are doing in regards to the shooting of Michael Brown.

    Anti- Martin Luther King all the way, baby. You fellas should be ashamed. You’re tearing the country up with your cowardice to address the Truth.

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  111. nyp says:

    I can really dig the invocation of Martin Luther King, Junior by a racist who believes that black people are, as a race, inherently stupider than white people.

  112. nyp says:

    “Just beause I believe that African-Americans are inherently stupider than white people doesn’t mean I believe they are genetically inferior”. — Athos

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