Reid says this is a nation of laws not men — what a hoot!

On the ongoing standoff at the Bundy ranch in Bunkerville, Harry Reid told a Las Vegas TV station:

“It’s obvious that you can’t just walk away from this. And we can speculate all we want to speculate to what’s going to happen next,” Reid told KSNV-TV. “But I don’t think it’s going to be tomorrow that something is going to happen, but something will happen. We are a nation of laws, not of men and women.”

Is this the same Harry Reid who simply ignored the law of the land and cut funding for Yucca Mountain? Is the Harry Reid who let Obama change the ObamaCare law of the land 40 times without the consent of Congress? Is this the Harry Reid who told Obama to ignore Congress and raise the debt ceiling? Is this the Harry Reid who broke the rules of the Senate to end the filibuster on certain nominations? Is the same Harry Reid who used that filibuster rule to confirm a Homeland Security nominee he had strong armed for a Las Vegas hotel?  Never mind immigration laws.

As rancher Wayne Hage once testified before Congress:

“It is warming to know that with regard to the Courts that we still have the Rule of Law. Although as I have found out it is nearly impossible to defend a persons property and rights in the courts due to the financial burdens and the length of time involved. (My Mother and Father filed the original case and were not able to live long enough to see the end of the litigation. My step Mother died before there was an end to the litigation and it is looking like my siblings and I may be in old age before this is concluded.) However there it is becoming very apparent that there is no rule of law with regard to the employs of the BLM, USFS and perhaps the DOJ, there we have the rule of man. I remind congress that Aristotle explained that the difference between a correct form of government and perverse form of government is that the former is the Rule of Law and the latter is the rule of man.”

56 comments on “Reid says this is a nation of laws not men — what a hoot!

  1. Winston Smith says:

    With corrupt government, some laws and some men are more equal than others.

  2. nyp says:

    I had no idea that it was illegal for Congress to cut funding for Yucca Mountain.

  3. Milty says:

    “With corrupt government, some laws and some men are more equal than others.”

    This is especially true now that the US attorney general has told the state attorney generals that they don’t have to defend laws they don’t agree with.

  4. nyp says:

    when did he do that?

  5. Anonymous says:

    Oh that — that is pretty standard stuff.

  6. Milty says:

    So it’s become pretty standard stuff that “With corrupt government, some laws and some men are more equal than others.”

  7. Vernon Clayson says:

    Since when do state attorneys general take their marching orders from AG Holder?

  8. Anonymous says:

    I would not put it precisely like that.

    An Attorney General takes an oath of office to uphold the Constitution. If he is convinced that a law of his state is unconstitutional, he cannot defend it.

    Let’s say you are the AG of Mississippi, which had declined to repeal its statute criminalizing consensual sodomy. If the law were to be challenged in court. do you think you could defend it?

    Well, I a suppose Vern Clayson wld have no problem. But what about the rest of you?

  9. Milty says:

    I would think that the fact that the law’s Constitutionality is being challenged in court means that its Constitutionality hasn’t been determined yet. And if an attorney general is going to presume to determine on his/her own that the law is un-Constitutional, then why bother going to court? But then that goes back to Winston Smith’s argument that “With corrupt government, some laws and some men are more equal than others.”

  10. Anonymous says:

    You don’t need a judicial ruling to make a decision for yourself whether it not a law is constitutional. These laws are clearly discriminatory. In five years even the Fox News types will concede that. (Not Vern, though.). If the legislature wants to defend bigoted laws they ca hire a lawyer to do so. That is what Boehner did with the DOMA case

  11. Milty says:

    “You don’t need a judicial ruling to make a decision for yourself whether it not a law is constitutional. These laws are clearly discriminatory.”

    In other words, the law is whatever an individual thinks it is.

  12. Anonymous says:

    No. Not al all.

  13. Steve says:

    deny, deny, deny.
    anon is in denial.

  14. Vernon Clayson says:

    I have no idea how “anonymous” took my remark about attorneys general to questions about sodomy in Mississippi; is he unaware that states have their own attorney general and they are not underlings of US Attorney General Holder.

  15. Winston Smith says:

    Unfortunately, U.S. Attorneys General often prove to be more beholden to their president than to the law and the Constitution. Holder is perhaps the most blatant in recent memory. Or maybe ever.

  16. Anonymous says:

    I’ll be damned if I’m going to honor a federal court that has no jurisdiction or authority or arresting power.” — Clive Bundy

  17. Steve says:

    Anon really wants this to be all about that rancher and not about the unconstitutional government created “first amendment areas” or its overreach in preventing “assault” in the form of cameras and words on those federal agents in their overreaction to the protesters.

  18. nyp says:

    Guess all those militia guys with their guns had nothing to do with it.

  19. Milty says:

    “I’ll be damned if I’m going to honor a federal court that has no jurisdiction or authority or arresting power.”

    In other words, “You don’t need a judicial ruling to make a decision for yourself whether it not a law is constitutional. These laws are clearly discriminatory.”

  20. Milty says:

    Do “all those militia guys” qualify as an organized militia according to Justice Stevens’ re-write of the 2nd Amendment?

  21. nyp says:

    “I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro. They abort their young children .. because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton?.” Clive Bundy

  22. Milty says:

    All the more reason to prefer a nation of laws, not of men.

    Unfortunately, all too many people believe that some people should be above the law, or somehow believe that the law is whatever an individual thinks it is, with their expressions like, “You don’t need a judicial ruling to make a decision for yourself whether it not a law is constitutional. These laws are clearly discriminatory.”

    It all goes back to Winston Smith’s statement that “With corrupt government, some laws and some men are more equal than others.”

  23. nyp says:

    If an attorney general believes a law is unconstitutional, as an officer of the court who has taken an oath to uphold the constitution are not obligated to defend the law against legal challenge. The legislature may appoint someone else to defend the law.
    If you are a citizen, you may, of course, challenge in court a law that you believe is being applied against you in violation of the Consitution. But, if you lose, you may not defy a law whose Constitutionality has been upheld.

    Seems pretty simple to me.

  24. Winston Smith says:

    Oh, petey, the racist card? Really? Let’s say that you’re right, Cliven Bundy, the 68-year-old white guy fighting the fedbots stuck his foot in it by using politically incorrect terminology and expressing generalizations about blacks (can I still use that term? I can’t remember) that are quite messed up.

    So, that certainly means that he and his followers deserve whatever they get, just like Randy “White-Separatist” Weaver and David “Child Abuser” Koresh, right? Because anytime anyone is demonized and marginalized by the mainstream media, they should be rejected out of hand and just need to be dealt with, one way or another, no matter if their particular cause is right or wrong.

    “I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races,”

  25. MIlty says:

    So if an attorney general has the right to not defend a law that he deems un-Constitutional, then does it follow that a chief executive (President or governor) has the right to not enforce a law that he deems un-Constitutional?

    And does it also follow that the states have the right to refuse to follow federal legislation that they deem un-Constitutional?

  26. nyp says:

    If a Chief Executive believes that a law or other governmental action is unconstitutional he may challenge it in court. Like Nixon did. Sometime he may deem parts of a law to be unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it until challenged in court. That is usually announced via a “signing statement” of the sort Reagan introduced, that Bush utilized frequently, and that Obama has utilized infrequently. If the legal challenge goes against the views of the Chief Executive, he must then enforce the law or other governmental action.

    If a state deems federal legislation to be unconsitutional, it may challenge the legislation in court. If it loses, it must accede to the legislation.

  27. Athos says:

    “.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,”

    Does any of that sound familiar? It’s not only our Right, but our Duty to alter or abolish ANY Form of Government (that becomes destructive of these ends)

    I was born after WW2 and what we have today, doesn’t match up with what we had when I was a kid. Of course, that was before LBJ declared our “War on Poverty” that has cost us $18 to $20 million (and we happen to be losing!)

    He should have named it “War on a Nation’s Character”.

  28. Athos says:

    typo. That would be upwards of $20 TRILLION, not a paltry sum in the Million$.

  29. Milty says:

    “If a state deems federal legislation to be unconsitutional, it may challenge the legislation in court. If it loses, it must accede to the legislation.”

    I guess this explains why Colorado challenged the Constitutionality of the federal prohibition of marijuana in the court system instead of simply passing a referendum legalizing marijuana in contravention of federal laws.

  30. Anonymous says:

    So Athos, you are in favor of declaring war on the government of the United States of America?

  31. Anonymous says:

    Remarkable how often people who spout crazy anti-government, neo-confederate rhetoric turn out to be racist.
    Crazy coincidence, no?

  32. Milty says:

    And African American Republicans are no different than Jews who worked with the Nazis. Right, Nyp?

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/heatherginsberg/2014/04/24/dem-governor-of-illinois-black-republicans-are-like-jewish-nazis-n1828809

  33. nyp says:

    Bruce Rauner is black? Gee.

  34. Steve says:

    Of course those protesters were in no way prompted by any unconstitutional government created “first amendment areas” nope not a one of those protesters was there in support of the Constitution…they were all there just because that rancher was being mistreated….
    Never mind the fact that none of them began traveling or planning to travel until after the photos of those “first amendment” corrals went viral on social media…nope nothing at all to do with that at all.

    Its all about the rancher…that is what Anon and Nyp both seem to want us to believe.

  35. Milty says:

    Nyp, your implied message is that anyone who associates with a conservative group is a bigot, so any non-white, non Christian, gay person (or some combination thereof) who has conservative political views is somehow a traitor to his/her race, religion or sexual orientation.

    That was the viewpoint that Governor Quinn was endorsing. Do you endorse it too?

  36. Winston Smith says:

    Some black chick’s opinion: http://www.ijreview.com/2014/04/132334-dont-care-cliven-bundy-racist/

    Oh, sorry, some Afro-American female’s opinion…

    Sorry, some African-American womyn’s opinion…

    Sorry again, the opinion of some apparently mixed-race, perhaps female, though could be transgendered human…

  37. nyp says:

    That was my implied message? Wow. I must be some kind of terrible person.

  38. Athos says:

    Marxism equals terrible person, petey. Check your history books.

    As to Clive Bundy’s comments, I would encourage you to take a drive down Lake Meade, MLK blvd, F street, D street, and all the other lovely projects our Federal Government has provided for the poor.

    I have.

    And so has Clive.

    It’s hard to argue with what you see. He described it well in that hit piece interview.

    And I believe the document calls for us to “alter or abolish it”. Of course, socialist neophytes are not included in my term of “us”. (But then again, you’re not new to this way of Marxist Idealism, are you, petey?)

  39. nyp says:

    I just knew that I could count on Athos to stand up for Cliven Bundy’s views concernings “the Negro” and the advantages of “picking cotton” as a slave.

  40. Vernon Clayson says:

    “Anonymous” remains anonymous to readers but, not to worry, the feds/NSA knows who he is. I use my name because I understand I’m of no consequence to the grand plans of the government. I admire hard working men like Bundy, people like that made this nation, sadly the soft-handed and hard hearted people have taken it over and we are the worse for it.

  41. Athos says:

    I know it’s asking for a miracle, but here’s something for you to consider, petey:

    “Over the past 50 years, the purpose of the American government has radically transformed. Whereas it’s main goal in domestic matters used to be to protect liberty, it is now an entitlements machine, transferring over $2 trillion per year from some people’s pockets to others.” Nicholas Eberstad.

    Couple that with Henry Ford’s quote, and you begin to glimps the problem.

  42. nyp says:

    Oh, yes. Vern Clayson. I should have realized that a men who refers to our first African-American President as “a common Chicago street hustler” would come to the defense of Cliven Bundy and his views regarding “the Negro.”

  43. Milty says:

    “I must be some kind of terrible person.”

    Well, you are a Yankees fan, aren’t you?

  44. nyp says:

    Henry Ford kinda lost me when he began distributing virulent anti-Semitic literature in his company’s auto distributorships.
    Guess I’m just small-minded.

  45. nyp says:

    Good point, Milty.
    ‘scuse me — gotta get some more pine tar.

  46. Milty says:

    “‘scuse me — gotta get some more pine tar.”

    For some reason, I can’t condemn Pineda for what he did. Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve always considered cheating in baseball to be part of the roguish charm of the game.

    That goes for steroids too. I never liked Barry Bonds because he’s a first class a$$hole, but I never held the steroid thing against him.

  47. nyp says:

    Agree re pine tar/nicked balls/corked bats, but also agree that getting caught & punished is also part of the game.

    Disagree re steroids. I hate how I felt like an idiot for admiring Mark McGuire.

  48. Athos says:

    For a Marxist, you have a strange way of discrimination.

    Oh. Excuse me, my statement describing you is redundant.

    Here’s the quote (which is the Truth): “Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian.”

    60 million Russians, and 100 million Chinese, can’t be wrong, petey. Marxism is evil.

  49. Athos says:

    And nobody I’ve ever seen, could hit a baseball like #25, Barry Bonds.

  50. nyp says:

    Henry Ford never said that.

    What is it with you ‘wingers and bogus quotes?

  51. Athos says:

    All right! I was wondering when you’d get around to challenging the author of that quote, petey!

    For purposes of reality in statements, you can attribute the quote to me!

    Doesn’t change the Truth, does it?

  52. Milty says:

    “I felt like an idiot for admiring Mark McGuire.”

    Wow, talk about irony, Nyp. You liked the white guy (Mark McGuire), and I was rooting for the Dominican (Sammy Sosa).

  53. Winston Smith says:

    Just since we’re all fessing up, my two favorite baseball players are Hank Aaron (since 1970) and Ken Griffey Jr. (since 1994). They’re both imperfect men who played by the rules (as far as I know),

    Also, I neglected to thank the Tyrant Lincoln for the quote:
    “I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races.”

    BTW, if Bundy was wrong for not wanting to be slowly put out of business by the BLM, in its “zeal” to protect the Desert Dace Darter, like other S. Nevada cattlemen had, then are we all to just roll over whenever our livelihoods are threatened by some questionable government edict?

    Perhaps reviewing “Parson’s Cause”, an important legal case that to the Revolution, would bring further insight to such situations.

  54. Winston Smith says:

    Oh look, there’s more to the interview with Bundy: http://www.infowars.com/unedited-video-shows-bundy-making-pro-black-pro-mexican-comments/

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