When is a vote to secede legal and not?

People in Crimea wave Russian flags. (Getty Images via NYT)

The vote was 96 percent in favor of seceding and joining the country with which they were previously affiliated before the breakup.

No, not in the Crimea, in West Virginia. In the Crimea the vote to leave the Ukraine was 97 percent with an 83 percent turnout. In West Virginia the turnout was only 27 percent. Many voters were off fighting for the Confederacy. This was long before women’s suffrage. Returns from some counties were as low as 5 percent and others registered no votes at all.

On April 20, 1863, President Lincoln issued a proclamation admitting the state on June 20, 1863, making West Virginia the 35th state, followed on Oct. 31, 1864, by Nevada as the 36th, if you count the states in rebellion.

Though the government of the Ukraine was just overturned by a coup, Obama said this week, “And as I told President Putin yesterday, the referendum in Crimea was a clear violation of Ukrainian Constitutions (ph) and international law, and it will not be recognized by the international community.”

Justing pointing out some parallels in history that might give one pause in making judgment.

“Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

George Santayana

 

18 comments on “When is a vote to secede legal and not?

  1. Rincon says:

    I quote from Steve: “Think about this,,,95% claims in politics are always found in dictatorship elections”.

    So is this an election or a farce? That being said, I say let Putin have Crimea. It will turn into another Afghanistan in a different form.

  2. iShrug says:

    “You know, comrades,” says Stalin, “that I think in regard to this: I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how.”

    H/T To
    http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/dubiousquotes/a/stalin_quote.htm
    From Boris Bazhanov’s Memoirs of Stalin’s Former Secretary, published in 1992.

    It’s unfortunate that only about 40% of eligible voters will turn out for the midterm elections this year.

  3. Vernon Clayson says:

    I wonder what the percentage is of those, like me, that don’t give a crap about Crimea? The Russian navy has a base there, we have a naval base in Cuba, what is the major difference, do they house Muslim terrorists at their base? More than likely this is just more Obama administration diversion but maybe he can build up a story similar to brave JFK facing down the Russian bear.

  4. Vernon Clayson says:

    Had another thought, is this, like Vietnam, to stop encroaching communism/Marxism/socialism, stop them there or stop them on the west coast? Wait, that didn’t work, they are already here and flourishing.

  5. Winston Smith says:

    Herman Goering, Adolf Hitler’s deputy: “Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

    Click to access warisaracket.pdf

  6. Steve says:

    Rincon, you may well have just proven my point. In addition they claim an 83% turnout.

    Putin’s Russia is on the march and hungry to rebuild the glorious past. Or had you not noticed this?

  7. nyp says:

    This is actually consistent with Mr. Mitchell’s belief that Abraham Lincoln was a tyrant and that the Confederacy was entitled to secede.

    That is what I like about this blog — it always gets down to the bedrock beliefs of conservatism, without any of the spin doctor ornamentation.

  8. Vernon Clayson says:

    Winston Smith mentions patriotism but that is something that Obama has not called for and isn’t likely to.

  9. Steve says:

    Its OK for a tyrant to be in charge when those who run things like and follow the rules the tyrant makes…this explains a lot about the current tyrant in DC….blind followers make for good voters.

  10. nyp says:

    “the current tyrant in DC ….”

  11. Steve says:

    “the current tyrant in DC ….”

    Any idea who I might be referencing, Nyp?

  12. Vernon Clayson says:

    Obama isn’t exactly a tyrant, he’s merely the glove on the iron fist of those that placed him, he will be there as long as he serves their purpose. I don’t foresee him leaving at the end of the current term, his term is open-ended.

  13. nyp says:

    ” I don’t foresee him leaving at the end of the current term, his term is open-ended.”

  14. Steve says:

    So, Nyp, still no idea who I was referencing with my comment?

    “the current tyrant in DC ….”

    Hmmm?

  15. Rincon says:

    Although it’s convenient to label one man as the tyrant, both parties have successfully managed to maintain their duopoly for over a century. If Obama is a tyrant, then the same definition fits both parties. They all play the money and power game to their own advantage.

  16. Steve says:

    Did I call Obama a Tyrant?

  17. Athos says:

    ” If Obama is a tyrant, then the same definition fits both parties.”

    If?

    Pretzel logic.

  18. Steve says:

    Nyp? Still no answer for my question about Tyrants?

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