Have you no sense of decency, Harry?

What the world needs now is a Joseph Welch — someone to call out Harry Reid and ask him if he has no sense of decency for calling cancer patient liars and denying that Obama lied when he said if you like your policy you can keep it more than 20 times.

The truth and reality are strangers to Harry Reid.

Obama didn’t lie:

But cancer patients did:

Sen. Joseph McCarthy was castigated and relegated to irrelevance in history for saying, “I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department.”

Harry Reid

If Harry fails to resign as Senate majority leader after saying this, he has no sense of decency:

“The leukemia patient whose insurance policy was canceled [and] could die without her medication, Mr. President, that’s an ad being paid for by two billionaire brothers. It’s absolutely false. Or the woman whose insurance policy went up $700 a month — ads paid for around America by the multibillionaire Koch brothers, and the ad is false.

“We heard about the evils of Obamacare, about the lives it’s ruining in Republicans’ stump speeches and in ads paid for by oil magnates, the Koch brothers. But in those tales, turned out to be just that: tales, stories made up from whole cloth, lies distorted by the Republicans to grab headlines or make political advertisements.”

Julie Boonstra is demanding Reid apologize:

We are waiting.

50 comments on “Have you no sense of decency, Harry?

  1. Ed Field says:

    If ever a rhetorical was asked, this would be the one.

  2. nyp says:

    The ad featuring Ms. Boonstra (who owns a house with a relative who is a GOP operative) implies that she lost her doctor. That turns out to be a lie, and the Koch brothers don’t even bother to defend that anymore. The ad says that her healthcare costs are now unaffordable because of Obamacare. That turns out to be another lie: her premiums have dropped by almost 50%, and her total out of pocket costs are just about the same as they were under her old plan. Plus, she can no longer be dropped by her insurance company for having a pre-existing condition.
    http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-antiobamacare-ad-20140225,0,4578386.story#axzz2ukDq66dW

    There is certainly room for shame in this story, but the finger should point not to Harry Ried but to Thomas Mitchell.

  3. She never “implied” she lost her doctor. Lower premiums are meaningless if deductible and co-pays are higher.

  4. nyp says:

    As for “Bette in Spokane,” the woman whose premiums allegedly increased $700 per month because of ObamaCare, Another lie. It turns out that private insurance plans on the Oregon exchange were available for much less, and without the $10k deductable she had under her old plan, and with broader coverage. She had simply refused to even look at private plans on the Oregon exchange.
    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/02/it-mean-to-debunk-lies-about-obamacare.html

    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/jan/30/bette-in-spokane-cited-in-mcmorris-rodgers-speech/

    There is certainly room for shame in this story, but the finger should point not to Harry Ried but to Thomas Mitchell.

  5. No one has been able to sign up on the Oregon exchange.

  6. nyp says:

    Of course the ad strongly implies that she lost her doctor and that her insurance is now unaffordable: “I found this wonderful doctor and a great health care plan. I was doing fairly well fighting the cancer, fighting the leukemia, and then I received a letter. My insurance was canceled because of Obamacare. Now, the out-of-pocket costs are so high, it’s unaffordable. If I do not receive my medication, I will die.”

    Those are lies. She has the same doctor. She has the same medication. Her premium is cut in half. Her deductable and co-pays are capped at $6,350, after which her new private insurance plan pays 100%. Her total out-of-pocket costs under her new private plan turn out to be all of two dollars more than under her old plan.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/02/20/a-hard-hitting-anti-obamacare-ad-makes-a-claim-that-doesnt-add-up/

    And AFP doesn’t even bother to deny any of this any more:
    http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-antiobamacare-ad-20140225,0,4578386.story#axzz2ukDq66dW

    There is certainly room for shame in this story, but the finger should point not to Harry Ried but to Thomas Mitchell.

  7. nyp says:

    my apologies. I meant Washington State, where Spokane is located.

    East Coast bias.

  8. Steve says:

    It might turn out the AFP ad is as good for Obamacare as Sue Lowden was for Harry Reid in the 2010 race.

  9. Milty says:

    Nyp, are you calling Julie Boonstra a liar?

  10. She never implied. You inferred.

  11. nyp says:

    Milty: I am calling the advertisement in which she appeared a lie.
    so did the Washington Post factchecker:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/02/20/a-hard-hitting-anti-obamacare-ad-makes-a-claim-that-doesnt-add-up/

    so, yes, what the hell, I am calling her a liar as well. You have a problem with that?

  12. nyp says:

    I am not the only one who “inferred,” amid all the schmaltzy piano music, that Ms. Boonstra lost her doctor because of ObamaCare.
    “First of all, many viewers might think Boonstra lost her doctor, as she mentions her “wonderful doctor” and then says her plan was canceled. But AFP confirms that she was able to find a plan, via Blue Cross Blue Shield, that had her doctor in its network.”

  13. Milty says:

    “so, yes, what the hell, I am calling her a liar as well. You have a problem with that?”

    Lighten up and drink a cup of decaf, Nyp.

    So you’re calling Julie Boonstra a liar. Are you also calling Bette in Spokane a liar? And Stephen Blackwood too?

    And from your postings, I take it you consider Thomas Mitchell to be a liar too, right?

    And Athos is a hapless tax evader, and Winston Smith is a crazy right wing nut job, and Vernon Clayson is a racist, right?

    Any other judgments of yours that I’ve overlooked?

  14. nyp says:

    You are far, far more focused on suggesting that I am a meanie who is giving fragile flowers like Athos the vapors than you are in defending the acuracy of those Koch brothers Obamacare horror ads.

    All in all, that is a smart move on your part.

  15. Athos says:

    Well, petey, since you’re in the mood to set records straight, what’s the real skinny on the IPAB? I’ve read that it’s a constitutional overreach, and if we want to return to representative government, we have only 1 month to change these people (appointed by the President to budget Medicare).

    In my vaporous state, have I got that right?

  16. nyp says:

    No, I am afraid you have not. You are completely wrong.

  17. Athos says:

    Prey tell, how so?

  18. nyp says:

    The Independent Payment Advisory Board is constitutional, and it does not “budget Medicare.”

  19. Athos says:

    So, now you’re adding Dr. Charles R. Kesler to your list of liars?

    IPAB’s job is to make recommendations to limit Medicare’s budget by reducing reimbrusements to doctors.

    Correct?

    IPAB is 15 members not elected by the people, but appointed by the President.

    Correct?

    Their recommendations become law unless both houses of Congress overrule by passing their own equal or greater cuts to Medicare.

    Correct?

    Excuse my vaporous state, but I thought the power of the purse was constitutionally the duty of the Legislature, not the Executive Branch of government.

    Prey tell me what I’m missing?

  20. Steve says:

    BTW, none of this excuses Harry Reid either. All he had to do was keep his big fat trap shut until the math lesson was over.
    As it is he is no better than the AFP drones that failed to check out the facts before running with this thing.
    This was an abortive waste of energy on an item that has all the ingredients of self failure built right in.

    I say lets wait for the other shoes to fall…its not far off with such an over bearing law like Obamacare….even the big fat mouth of Reid called it only a stepping stone.

  21. Milty says:

    Thanks for the compliment, Nyp, and I’ll throw one back at you. I commend you for having the integrity to call Julie Boonstra a liar. Whether your assessment is right or wrong doesn’t matter, you aren’t separating the message from the messenger. For this particular case, if you consider the message to be a lie, then you must also consider the messenger to be a liar. Unless of course, you consider Ms. Boonstra to be a dupe of the Koch Brothers who has no clue what’s going on and who is just reading from a script.

    On the other hand, Senator Reid called the ad a lie. Ms. Boonstra said that Senator Reid called her a liar and demanded an apology. Senator Reid can either double down, say that he in fact did call her a liar and he stands by that statement. Or he can fold, say that he didn’t mean to call Ms. Boonstra a liar and he’s sorry. My guess is that he’s going to ignore Ms. Boonstra, continue to call the ad a lie, and continue to call the Koch Brothers liars. And if Senator Reid does that, continues to attack Ms. Boonstra’s ad and her message without addressing the issue of whether he considers Ms. Boonstra to be a liar, then Senator Reid has no shame. Of course, why should we expect anything different from him?

    However, I disagree with your assessment of Athos being a “fragile flower.” I don’t know the man, but given the hardship and adversity he’s dealt with in his life, I’d say he’s a pretty tough guy. In fact, if there’s anyone on this blog who qualifies as a “fragile flower,” it’s probably me…well, maybe you too.

  22. Anonymous says:

    AWW BALONEY!!!!!!

  23. Well that certainly raises the discussion to a higher plane.

  24. Nyp says:

    Milty – you are right. Although she appears to be a Republican partisan, it is impossible to determine at this point whether she is a dupe or a liar.

  25. Milty says:

    If she were a dupe or a liar, that would make her a partisan DEMOCRAT.

  26. Steve says:

    Now, Now,,,this was but a battle. The conflict rages on.

  27. Steve says:

    And Nyp has managed to turn this discussion to one only of cold hard numbers.

    There are a couple cold hard “facts” Nyp has managed to sweep right on past us.
    1) Nyp claims she has kept her medication. Nyp fails to mention that is the main issue, she has kept it and the insurance does not cover it. She is in the appeals process over that issue now. The costs were last known to be $14,000.00 for this medication.

    2) Nyp keeps harping on the OOP costs…as if those would apply to non covered items under the policy. If those appeals fail to get the medication covered than her OOP costs will be at least $14,000.00 plus that $6350.00 for a running grand total currently at $20,350.
    This battle is over as far as the premium battle is concerned but the conflict remains because the appeals process for the medication coverage is not done.

    AND THAT was the crux of this particular biscuit!

    This is a bankruptcy in the making, Nyp. Ready for that Crow and an apology to Athos?

  28. nyp says:

    please provide a cite or link for your assertion that Ms. Boonstra’s insurer has denied coverage for the medication she says she needs.

  29. Steve says:

    Oh, sorry about that. It was the Blackwood case I was conflating. (Can share a bite of your Crow?)

    But that was also enabled and created by Obamacare. If not for this law that case would not be in existence. (Hence you get to keep the plate, I will only take a bite.)
    I believe many more of these things are going to surface over the coming year or two and that is one reason I have been saying the AFP ad was a battle not worth fighting….until I confused it with the Blackwood case.

    And that case stands, just as I said. All you have to do is change the names and realize Harry Reid and the rest of you guys have decided to sweep it under the rug, blaming the very insurance companies your whole plan relies on for its very existence in the first place.

  30. Nyp says:

    So it is all Harry Reid’s fault for accurately stating that the ad was full of lies.

  31. Steve says:

    You still try to sweep the Blackwood’s situation under the rug…oh well I guess you guys have managed to slip that on by in the uproar over the failed AFP attempt.

    There is blame enough to go around IMO. Reid needed to shut his trap and AFP needed to do the math.
    AND someone needed to pay attention to situations like the Blackwood’s.

  32. Milty says:

    “So it is all Harry Reid’s fault for accurately stating that the ad was full of lies.”

    If the ad is full of lies, then Julie Boonstra’s a liar, and Senator Reid should state that accusation clearly. Just like you did, Nyp.

    I look forward to hearing Senator Reid say, “so, yes, what the hell, I am calling her [Boonstra] a liar as well. You have a problem with that?”

  33. nyp says:

    bridge too far for a politician, I am afraid.

  34. Milty says:

    “bridge too far for a politician, I am afraid.”

    100% in agreement with you, Nyp. All politicians are moral cowards.

    Check that, I’ll do a Senator Reid and say that the vast majority of politicians are moral cowards.

    And Senator Hagan is a lot more cowardly than Senator Reid. She should stand by her majority leader and agree with everything he’s said about how wonderful Obamacare is.

    http://www.ijreview.com/2014/02/118339-sen-kay-hagan-dodges-question-obamacare-seems-like-10000th-time/

  35. Nyp says:

    No requirement to answer lame-o, loaded questions.

  36. Steve says:

    That looks to me like Milty wrote a statement rather than a question, Nyp.

  37. Milty says:

    I guess Senator Hagen was asked a lot of “lame-o, loaded questions” that she wasn’t required to answer. Hopefully the voters of North Carolina will have an answer in November.

    “…refused on Monday to answer questions…”

    “…Hagan avoided the question.”

    “…Hagan did not answer.”

    “…Hagan also refused to comment…”

    “She also didn’t answer a question…”

    “…Hagan avoided a direct answer.”

    http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/02/24/3650966/as-she-makes-re-election-bid-official.html

  38. Winston Smith says:

    New Petey theme song:

    (chorus)

    “Everything is constitutional, in its own way.
    Like our favorite, ObamaCare, or detention powers in the NDAA.
    And everybody’s a patriot, in their own way.
    Even if they’re tyrants, or work for the TSA.”

    I’ll write the rest later, after all today is the day of rest…

  39. Milty says:

    I wonder what Senator Reid’s reaction will be to this AFP ad thanking Congressman Joe Heck for opposing Obamacare?

    Reid lackey and prospective November opponent Erin Bilbray is already sending out fundraising emails so she can defend herself against this attack ad. Only problem is that she isn’t attacked or even mentioned in the ad.

  40. nyp says:

    You are branching out to North Carolina politics. Impressive range.

  41. Steve says:

    It’s Erin Bilbray Kohn.

    She’s actually using “The Distinguished Gentleman” tactic in her attempt to garner votes on name recognition.

  42. Milty says:

    “You are branching out to North Carolina politics. Impressive range.”

    Yeah, it is, isn’t it? My ultimate goal is to extend my range into New York so I can run for the US Senate as a carpetbagger ala Bobby and Hillary.

    Of course, I’ll be expecting you to accompany me on my listening tour, Nyp, so you can keep me up to date on things in Newburgh, Highland Falls, Poughkeepsie, etc.

  43. iShrug says:

    Why isn’t Harry Reid attacking our “Liar in Chief?” President Obama is a serial liar, about Obamacare, specifically. He told the most blatant, outrageous lies of anyone. His lies have been swept under the rug. Instead, Harry chooses to attack individual citizens, whom he has never even met.

  44. Harry says Obama did not lie.

  45. nyp says:

    Probably because those advertisement were filled with untruths.

  46. Milty says:

    Senator Reid’s a living testament to the saying about people not throwing stones if they live in glass houses.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/02/27/harry-reids-claim-that-the-vast-majority-of-afps-obamacare-ads-are-lies/

  47. Milty says:

    Is it a bad omen when someone from the current administration ends a statement with “period”?

    President Obama: “If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. Period.”

    Secretary of State Kerry: “We will not permit Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon. Period.”

  48. nyp says:

    Remember Julia Boonstra? She was the subject of last week’s phony-baloney ObamaCare scare stories. That was a long time ago, so you may have forgotten all about her.

    It turns out that there is some additional news about Ms. Boonstra. According to the Detroit News and the Washington Post, her new ObamaCare plan saves her over $1200 in out of pocket costs.

    Of course, the lie has already been widely disseminated by Mr. Mitchell and others, so the fact that her story about her experiences under ObamaCare turns out to be completely bogus probably doesn’t matter much.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/03/11/update-julia-boonstras-claim-her-obamacare-plan-is-unaffordable-gets-downgraded-to-three-pinocchios/?tid=hpModule_f8335a3c-868c-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394

  49. Milty says:

    Three pinocchios still leaves her one pinocchio short of Senator Reid’s personal best (worst) rating.

  50. Nyp says:

    Good point

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