44 comments on “How’s that ‘Mission Accomplished’ website working out for Obama?

  1. Athos says:

    Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

    Hello, Reality! Did us conservatives get your attention about this Marxist pimple you all elected 13 months ago, yet?

    Wanna trust these clowns that spend $600 million to design a web site that fails, with your daughter’s kidney transplant?

    Hey MSM! Let’s see you spin all the cancellation notices people are getting!

  2. Vernon Clayson says:

    Message to all television news outlets: Okay, we get it, the Obamacare website is screwed up but that isn’t the main issue, the main issue is that Obamacare/Affordable Care Act is in effect and it is the largest tax ever imposed in all of history and no one, not Obama nor any of the members of the Congress or courts have a full understanding of what it does for actual medical care. It didn’t come into being with the arrival of Obama, the politicians and bureaucrats had decades to refine it, although refine is hardly the word, bludgeon is a better word. We see photos of Obama pleased with himself and its progress but what we should see is photos of smirking Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, John Boehner, and Chief Justice Roberts, and others, all pleased with themselves for elevating themselves up there with Marx, Engels, Lenin, etal.

  3. The faces on the communist Mount Rushmore?

  4. Nyp says:

    It is really starting to get under your skin that each month hundreds of thousands of Americans are starting to get health insurance that they didn’t previously have,

  5. Wait till we have to pick up the tab for all those on Medicaid and subsidized policies.

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  6. Winston Smith says:

    If this had been a Republican instead of Obama with a failed website and lies about the system’s effects, the MSM would have been slamming him loud and continuously since Oct 1. But as The One, he is mostly exempt from criticism. Obama is the most Teflon President in history, by far.

    War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength; Unaccountability is Heroic

  7. Steve says:

    Phew! The website is all hunky dory! Billions of Millions are being served, or asked to wait. Good job, Obamacare is on track and hitting the ground run….what? The hell you say!

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/audit-health-care-subsidies-vulnerable-fraud-21082431

  8. nyp says:

    You guys had better steel yourselves for the major healthcare enrollment push now getting underway.

    And all those people now getting affordable health insurance? They vote.

  9. Steve says:

    1.5 million medicaid voters. Seems to be a good voting block you guys are buying with our money.

  10. nyp says:

    Ah, I see where you guys are going.
    It’s all about those unworthy people (a/k/a the working poor) getting medicaid. The families signing up for high-quality, affordable private insurance plans you will just ignore.
    But Americans who get healthcare through medicaid — you know, those people — their health needs don’t count.

  11. Steve says:

    Nah.

    You guys buy votes just like you first said. Nothing more affordable than zero dollar premiums, eh?

  12. nyp says:

    People who are poor cannot afford insurance. That is why they call them “poor.” If you charge premiums, even small ones, they and their children will not get coverage, and will not get care.

    Of course, Thomas Mitchell does not have a moral problem with that. Do you?

  13. I won’t bother to attribute it to the Scottish guy Tytler, because it is surely apocryphal, but: Democracy will collapse as soon as the citizens figure out they can vote themselves largesse from the treasury … such as the 47 percent who pay no federal income tax.

  14. Winston Smith says:

    Coverage DOES NOT equal care…

    “I cannot find any authority in the Constitution for public charity.[To approve the measure] would be contrary to the letter and spirit of the Constitution and subversive to the whole theory upon which the Union of these States is founded.” – President Franklin Pierce’s 1854 veto of a measure to help the mentally ill.

  15. nyp says:

    I love this board because you guys so quickly dispense with all the bullshit and get right down to the key Republican beliefs:
    1. Government programs to help the mentally ill and other people in need are unconstitutional.
    2. 47% of American citizens are moochers who are feeding off the Galtian few.

    It doesn’t get any clearer than that.

  16. Athos says:

    petey, that’s the way reality works.

    It’s a shame it took you so long to learn.

    But then again, you’ve been indoctrinated in Marxism, instead of our nation’s Constitution.

    Welcome to the Real World!

  17. nyp says:

    Athos: as I recall it, the “real world” is one in which you went without health insurance, got sick, racked up enormous medical bills, went bankrupt, and left the rest of us holding the tab. You want millions of your fellow citizens to risk going through what you experienced.

    Thanks to healthreform, those days are ending.

  18. FEDERAL government is limited. States governments can help the mentally ill.

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  19. nyp says:

    That’s why federal land-grant colleges, Supplemental Security Income, Pell Grants, Medicare, FHA loans, flood relief, farm insurance, etc. are all unconstitutional and should be abolished.
    That is the core Republican position.

  20. Athos says:

    Ah petey, why would you deny my “come to Jesus” moment? And I was totally unaware that you were left “holding the tab”. Here I thought it was a private hospital, and the VISA people (both are flourishing quite well 30 years later, I might add!).

    I guess you’re still not quite into the Reality stage of life, yet, are you? And you may want to check your figures about how Øcare will end bankruptcy. Or is the Democrat position being “let’s do to the US, what we did to Detroit”?

  21. nyp says:

    Athos:
    1. When people like you go without health insurance and then wind up in the hospital, the bills that you do not pay get handled i two ways. Some of them are simply eaten by the hospital and the provider, which compensates by charging higher fees to everyone else. In addition, the medical facility can draw upon an “uncompensated care” fund which states establish to protect hospitals from people like you. Of course, that fund is paid for by taxes levied on the rest of us.

    2. A person who has a quality health insurance policy has the means of paying his medical bills and therefore will not be driven into bankruptcy (as you and Wendy Ellis both were) by the incredibly expensive cost of hospital care. That is why civilized countries with universal health insurance crisis do not have the phenomenon of people like you and Ms. Ellis going bankrupt over a health crisis.

  22. Rincon says:

    Pull your head out of your ass, Athos. You sponged off the rest of society with your medical bankruptcy; i.e., others paid your bill for you – involuntarily. That is undeniable. Your argument that Visa and the hospital is disingenuous since you also think it’s a high crime to tax the rich who, to paraphrase you, will flourish anyway. What is truly unconstitutional is a law requiring so-called private hospitals to care for all who are in need that enter. Or can you find a passage that justifies it?

  23. Athos says:

    petey, 30 years ago the private hospital ate my bill. That’s the facts. No taxpayer money was used to pay for my emergency surgery. Did the hospital then charge higher fees to everyone else, to compensate for this write-off? That sounds logical, but I don’t know for sure.

    A person that has a “quality” health insurance policy (as I do now) must pay for that policy. Whether it’s the person, or someone else paying for it, is the real rub in this communist take-over of our once Free Nation. I’m paying for my wife and children. I’m not keen on paying for the deadbeat, don’t want to work, freeloaders that populate the Democrat Party.

    Rin, I’ve tried to explain what bankruptcy is, vs “sponging off the rest of society” as it pertains to an event that happened in my life 30 years ago. It WASN’T the medical bills that made my decision to declare bankruptcy. IT WAS THE LACK OF INCOME, LIVING IN A RUST BELT TOWN IN THE 80S! No money, no bill paying ability. And when I say no money, I mean no money. See Detroit.

    Then I moved to Vegas, caught the Steve Wynn express, became a conservative (fiscal and political) and voila! Bills are paid on time, insurance is paid, life is good.

    And I dearly wish, you fellas would learn to distinguish the difference between our Nation’s Constitution, and the workings of State, county and local governance. But that would require a bit of study, wouldn’t it? And it’s SOOOO much easier to read Engels and Marx!

  24. Nyp says:

    A guys who loses his job loses his employer-sponsored insurance. A woman whose husband leaves her and her kids loses the insurance she had through her husband.

    Athos considers these people to be “freeloaders” and “deadbeats”.

  25. Milty says:

    “What is truly unconstitutional is a law requiring so-called private hospitals to care for all who are in need that enter.”

    So is Rincon advocating that hospitals not be required to provide care to anyone who enters their facilities?

  26. Winston Smith says:

    James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, elaborated upon the limitation of federal power in a letter to James Robertson:

    “With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,’ I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators. If the words obtained so readily a place in the ‘Articles of Confederation,’ and received so little notice in their admission into the present Constitution, and retained for so long a time a silent place in both, the fairest explanation is, that the words, in the alternative of meaning nothing or meaning everything, had the former meaning taken for granted.”

    “If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one….” – James Madison, letter to Edmund Pendleton, January 21, 1792.

    The enumerated powers of Congress were quite few, and only to be expanded through the amendment process. So yes, nyp, most of what the federal government now does is unconstitutional, in spite of what some court may have decided, because there was never an amendment to enlarge those powers of the federal government. If you can’t understand this simple concept, which somehow was so easily understood by most everybody in 1789, why should we even bother responding to you on any subject, since your concept of American political history is so obviously skewed?

    Upton Sinclair axiom: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

    War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength; Stupidity is Contagious

  27. Athos says:

    Here’s the other gorilla in the room that petey and Rin seem to ignore. Our nation was made great by Its citizens understanding personal responsibility. 30 years ago I was irresponsible. That was a mistake that I readily own up. And because of that set back, I took the big leap (across the country) to a much better place, today.

    There was no dignity in how I lived bck then. I have since rectified that situation by great personal sacrifice. As tempting as it is to let someone else assume my responsibilities, my freedom is not for sale. For the government that gives, can easily take back, once my dignity and self respect are compromised.

    And there is no way I want Reid the crook, or president Pinocchio, to tell me how to live.

    Do you?

  28. nyp says:

    So you guys need to step back a bit and think about how all this looks.
    1. The overwhelming majority of Americans believe that Social Security, Medicare, Pell Grants, FHA loans, the National Institutes of Health, federal land-grant colleges, etc., are part of what made and makes this country great. You Republicans believe those are all unconstitutional and should be abolished.
    2. You also believe that somone who loses his job and his employer-sponsored health insurance is “irresponsible” (Athos’s words) and is better off declaring personal bankruptcy in the event of a family health crisis.
    3. You similarly believe that 47% of your fellow citizens are slackers and loafers who are “taking” from the “makers.”

    You are entitled to these beliefs. I don’t doubt that they are heart-felt. But surely you must realize that there is a connection between these core Republican beliefs and the fact that Republicans have lost the popular vote in four of the past five Presidential elections.

  29. Winston Smith says:

    Meanwhile, nyp, you really don’t care if something is Constitutional or not. A mere technicality in the grand scheme of giving people what they want by taking it from others. At least be honest and admit that you have no respect for our nation’s founding principles of individual responsibility and limited government, especially at the federal level, and prefer the ever-expanding collectivism of Marx.

    BTW, if Pell grants, Social Security, etc., had been created by amending the Constitution, I could hardly complain, now could I. But Big Government types have no patience for such formalities, because it’s just so difficult to do things the right way. Usurpation is so much quicker, and certainly more fun!

    War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength; Usurpation is Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

  30. Athos says:

    I am not questioning the majority (overwhelming? don’t think so) believe all the government redistribution programs are the cat’s meow. The majority don’t pay much attention to the $17 trillion debt, much less the unfunded liabilities that are owed by us. But they will (see Detroit).

    What I am stating (and I don’t believe I’m the only one) is the unconstitutionality of these programs. Creeping communism. Selling one piece of freedom and dignity at a time, for promises of serfdom. And you progressives have been extremely patient, haven’t you?

    And it is no surprise that these programs were sold on lies from our benevolent leaders (see Øcare). I would guess (based on personal experience) that the “majority” of citizens believe that Social Security is a retirement plan that the recipients have paid into, all their working lives. FDR sold the program that way (Federal Insurance), and with the employer matching funds (which are funds that most people never consider) the cost of this plan has always been Ponzi-esque. And in this, the majority is wrong (low information voters seems to be the catch phrase).

    Of course the truth of SS, as with the truth about Øcare, is that they are a tax. But most people are still unaware. And of course, there will be winners (our mooching 47%) and losers (responsible tax payers) with “affordable” health care dictated by our Masters in DC. And the wake up call will poise America to stand at the precipice and decide – Freedom or Tyranny?

  31. Winston Smith says:

    Well put, Athos. History is replete with examples of Control Freaks promising the masses security in return for their liberty. The Freemen always try to warn the sheep of the tyrant’s endgame, but the sheep just love those promises of being taken care of by their leaders. Works really well until sheep begin noticing the growing tyranny of the Control Freaks, but usually by then the Iron Fist has been exposed without the Velvet Glove, and it’s too late to fight back.

    See Union, Soviet…
    And Germany, NAZI…
    And China, Red…

    When will mankind ever learn that there is no actual free lunch

    “There was a time when the American people roared like lions for liberty; now they bleat like sheep for security.” – Norman Vincent Peale

  32. Rincon says:

    Believe it or not, I don’t like the proliferation of government programs either, but what I like even less are unfunded mandates. Laws forcing hospitals to provide care for those that cannot pay are unfunded mandates. Since this already socializes medicine, what say we quit billing other sick people for the actions of the so-called miscreants and have every citizen split the bill? It’s called transparency. If others must pay the bill, don’t fold it up into hospital costs. I say pay for it and call it what it is: Welfare.

  33. Milty says:

    What about those poor undocumented immigrants living in the shadows and afraid to come out into the light, the ones who were excluded from Obamacare and don’t get employer provided health insurance coverage doing those dirty jobs that Americans won’t do? What about them, Rincon?

  34. Rincon says:

    Interesting question. In every other advanced country, the government foots the bill, which means the taxpayer. How do you think it should be handled?

  35. Steve says:

    Problem solved!
    Everyone needs to immigrate to another advanced country illegally.

  36. nyp says:

    I see that the economy added 203,000 new jobs last month and unemployment dropped to7%.

    More evidence that ObamaCare is destroying America.

  37. Rincon says:

    Brilliant, Steve! And think what that will do for our unemployment numbers 🙂

  38. Milty says:

    “I see that the economy added 203,000 new jobs last month and unemployment dropped to7%.”

    Happy days are here again. I guess the government doesn’t need to raise the minimum wage now. We’re back to an employees’ market again, so employers are going to have to raise wages to compete for those few available workers since almost everyone has a job now.

  39. Nyp says:

    Ha, ha

  40. Winston Smith says:

    I read that 41% of the net jobs last month were with government at one level or another. Pls check that for me, nyp, I’m too busy playing with my Wii…

  41. Milty says:

    With unemployment in the midst of that death spiral down to zero, maybe the Fed can start tapering so we can find out if Nyp is right about there not being a stock bubble.

  42. Nyp says:

    It’s b.s.

  43. Steve says:

    Milty, if the fed is able to taper the way they hope the market will absorb the loss of liquidity. Its a fine line they must balance, to much and it deflates, extending the recession and maybe worsening it. (Contrary to what they claim the recession is not over, they have been propping up the economy to the point it appears to have turned. It will be over only if tapering ends successfully.) Thing is, to little tapering and it inflates. Not the market, the gorilla waiting in the wings known as inflation and if they don’t do it right it leads to hyperinflation as they try to print their way out.

  44. Everything Harry says is BS.

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