Words to swallow

Don’t you love it when someone takes a politician’s own words and shoves them down his throat.

On his Facebook page Harry Reid wrote“The Affordable Care Act has been the law of the land for four years. Democrats are willing to work with reasonable Republicans to improve this law. But we will not bow to Tea Party anarchists who deny the mere fact that Obamacare is the law.”

Today Rand Paul is quoted by The Wall Street Journal as saying Senate Democrats are “getting greedy” in the negotiations and trying to use the talks to increase spending. “The sequester is the law of the land and if we exceed that, it’s a real big step in the wrong direction,” he said.

53 comments on “Words to swallow

  1. Republicans in DC need to stand their ground and not give in (so long as the Obama/Reid/Democrats “Axis-of-Evil” refuses to NEGOTIATE). GOP should not delay the needed actions, since November 2014 is still light years away…

  2. nyp10025 says:

    I suppose the difference is that the democrats are not threatening to put the United States into default if their demands are not met.

    Minor difference.

  3. Vernon Clayson says:

    Harry Reid has a Facebook page? Have to look that up, another place for him to look foolish, how delightful.

  4. nyp10025 says:

    BTW, pretty remarkable that the Tea Party types demonstrated outside the White House with a confederate flag.

    Real patriots, they are.

  5. Vernon Clayson says:

    “Pretty remarkable” that nyp hasn’t noticed or mentioned that Harry Reid has not allowed a vote on any bill from the House, not even the 425 to 0 House vote approving paying the military death benefit. nyp was offended by the confederate flag but he wouldn’t have been if the hammer and cycle were flown and the demonstrators had sung The Internationale while marching. He might even had had a Chris Matthews-like tingle up his leg.

  6. nyp says:

    Hey – you are the fellow who calls the President “a common street hustler,” right?

  7. Steve says:

    It would be better to call the current president a commie street hustler?

  8. Steve says:

    Confederate flag…. welllll….it DOES seem like the SECOND war of Northern Aggression.

  9. At present, the House is the only branch of government doing it’s job, and catching a load of crapola as a reward.
    obama and the senate are digging in against Constitutional government.
    Says a lot about both of them.

  10. Vernon Clayson says:

    Up to now the senate was considered the debating body but of the 100 members all we hear from is a few of them, Harry Reid snarling, albeit barely above a whisper, while pushing bigger more expensive government while Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, Republicans, speak to the interests of the people. The Democrats/liberals have the majority, 54 to 46, but who knows what the hell the others think, can it be 53 Democrats dare not speak up or have no opinions so they let Harry Reid make all the decisions? Is it possible 44 Republicans dare not speak up have no opinions? Perhaps they all know Obama has made them irrelevant and Reid, Paul, and Cruz are the last gasp of a dying government entity. The courts are already irrelevant and from all appearances the vice-president, old what’s his name Biden, has been declared irrelevant, did he displease his master?

  11. Athos says:

    I don’t know about “better”, Steve. Accurate, yes; but better?

    I found this Dave Ramsey clip that explains stuff even petey can understand.

    http://eaglerising.com/2254/dave-ramsey-destroys-obamacare/

    simple math

  12. Winston Smith says:

    Meanwhile, China is now pushing for a new world reserve currency, as expected. Dollar-holding nations across the globe are fearing that our $17 trillion debt, with its continuing expansion, especially if defaulted, will take them down too.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-13/chinas-official-press-agency-calls-new-reserve-currency

  13. nyp says:

    What will take down the dollar is defaulting on our obligations.

  14. Athos says:

    petey, you realize the only debt obligation we need to meet, is the $18 billion a month we owe our bond holders, yes?

    Since we’re still taking in over $200 billion/month, there should be be no talk about default, should there?

    Unless Zero and THE CROOK have some unknown political objective?

  15. Rincon says:

    “A house divided against itself cannot stand”.

  16. Nyp says:

    Athos – you really do not understand public finance. And I find if remarkable that you Republicans believe we should stiff Social Security recipients in order to pay Chinese bondholders.

  17. Athos says:

    Watch Dave Ramsey’s video, petey.

    You progressives can’t spin simple math. (Like you do English words like “default”)

  18. Nyp says:

    I started to. He doesn’t understand the economics of health insurance.
    Nor do you.

  19. Athos says:

    petey, you can lie all you want to yourself. But you can’t lie to me, or any person who is capable of rational thought and possesses morals.

    The problem is whether or not you believe your own spin.

    Neither answer speaks well of you, does it, petey?

  20. ThePre-existing Condition Insurance Plan (PCIP) program signed up fewer people than expected by had to be shut down early because expenses exceeded the $5 billion budgeted because people were sicker than anticipated.

  21. nyp says:

    Your point?

  22. Sicker people who can jump in and out of the system at will drives cost up for everyone.

  23. nyp says:

    Agree. That is why the you need everyone in under the insurance umbrella. So people can’t jump into insurance only when they get sick.
    If you don’t do that, how do you possibly deal with people who have pre-existing conditions?

  24. Steve says:

    “If you don’t do that, how do you possibly deal with people who have pre-existing conditions?”

    To be clear, I like that part of ACA. Eliminating pre-existing condition limitation clauses has been long overdue.

    Of course, right now, we don’t really enough data to come up with a conclusion. However, we do have to ask just what is the price of perfection?

    Do you advocate we give up all our remaining moneys so absolutely every possible event may be insured?

  25. Rincon says:

    You hit the nail on the head Steve. I also agree that people with preexisting conditions are the very ones that need insurance the most. Unfortunately, insuring all of them will cost a lot more. Any ideas how to make up for the financial shortfall? Your last sentence says it all. Medical care has the potential to bankrupt the country if we decide that everyone should have the full menu of services. Do we really want that?

  26. nyp says:

    This is nuts. The independent analytic modeling conducted by the Congressional Budget Office confirms that the Heritage Plan that forms the basis for ObamaCare will provide coverage for people with pre-existing conditions (and for everyone else,) and will produce a small budget savings over the next decade and a large budget savings over the following decade. It isn’t magic: you get everyone into the insurance pool. The “young invincibles” pay premiums against the risk that they will have a motorcycle accident, and in order to insure that they will have guaranteed coverage as they grow older.

    You know who agrees? The insurance companies. The premiums they are charging on nevadahealthlink.com and the other insurance marketplaces are lower than CBO originally estimated. That means they have decided they can make money even if they have to provide higher-quality insurance and even if they have to cover pre-existing conditions.

  27. Steve says:

    Nyp, I see the the reports and those premiums are currently estimates. It’s too early to have locked down numbers. Stop being obstinate.

  28. Athos says:

    What’s “nuts” is that we could be seeing the “progressives last stand”! ”

    “Affordable” health care?? What few that got thru are discovering it’s anything but affordable.

    Maybe the progressives should have looked at reigning in the lawyers with all the lawsuits.

  29. nyp says:

    really? the actual premium with the tax credits are even lower than projected.

  30. Steve says:

    Really, nyp.

    “Vinson, of San Jose, will pay $1,800 more a year for an individual policy, while Waschura, of Portola Valley, will cough up almost $10,000 more for insurance for his family of four.”

    http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_24248486/obamacares-winners-and-losers-bay-area

  31. nyp says:

    “The 64-year-old Danville artist, who survived breast cancer, has purchased health insurance for herself for decades. She watched her Anthem Blue Cross monthly premiums rise from $317 in 2005 to $1,298 in 2013. But she found out last week from the Covered California site that her payments will drop to about $795 a month.”
    http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_24248486/obamacares-winners-and-losers-bay-area

  32. Chicago Tribune:

    If the 33-year-old single father wants the same level of coverage next year as what he has now with the same insurer and the same network of doctors and hospitals, his monthly premium of $233 will more than double. If he wants to keep his monthly payments in check, the Carpentersville resident is looking at an annual deductible for himself and his 7-year-old daughter of $12,700, a more than threefold increase from $3,500 today.

    >

  33. Steve says:

    Nyp, your example from the article is still an overall increase from the older premiums. It’s an example of the OTHER extreme. And it proves my point we simply do not have enough hard numbers yet.

    So my question stands, what is the price of perfection?
    Are you advocating we give up all our remaining money to cover absolutely every possible issue?

  34. nyp says:

    Nope. I’m saying that millions of people will, for the first time, be able to purchase affordable, quality-level health insurance for themselves and their families.

    And you know who has already benefited? You, Steve, as you admitted in one of your recent posts.

    And you know who would have avoided personal bankruptcy if health reform had been in place earlier? Wendy Ellis.
    And Athos.

  35. The central planners will never outperform the marketplace.

  36. Steve says:

    We’ll, nyp. Don’t go gettin all in front of yourself on that. My old employer decided to change things and (luckily) my new employer is working with me to fix it. The promised severance benefits have been placed in to question and I may not have any paper to prove what was originally stated. Even if I am able to prove it I no longer trust it. So that no applies, even though I agree about pre existing conditions.

  37. nyp says:

    that is generally true. And that is why health insurance for people who don’t get insurance through their employer or through Medicare is going to be offered by private insurers competing in a marketplace. You can check it out at nevadahealthlink.com.

  38. nyp says:

    BTW, here is a look at actual data, rather than at anecdotes:

    “Competition among insurers offering coverage through federal exchanges established under the Affordable Care Act is driving down the premiums charged in the new marketplaces by as much as one third, according to a Bloomberg Government analysis.The analysis of rates for individual policies in the 36 states where the federal government will run or largely run the exchanges shows an unmistakable pattern: The larger the number of insurers operating in a given market, the lower the price of coverage. The pattern appears to hold no matter what the age of insurance enrollees or which “metal” level of coverage they choose.”
    http://about.bgov.com/2013-10-08/exchange-competition-cuts-health-insurance-costs-bgov-insight/

  39. Athos says:

    So tell us, petey, how many people are signed up?

  40. Athos says:

    Oh, why would I ask a morally bankrupt progressive like you?

    K Sebelius doesn’t even know and she’s running this scam!

  41. Steve says:

    Nyp, you keep proving my point. It’s way too early to claim solid numbers. Give it a year, then we will be talking about reality, not early numbers and estimates.

    Signups have slipped for a couple reasons.
    First and foremost is the software running the sites.
    Second is the pre existing condition “customer” base may well be done.
    Third is the people who have always carried private insurance.
    Two and three are the main drivers of the early signups. Now we wait and see if the main body of potential “customers” choose the TAX over the premium.

    Of course number one is also slowing numbers 2 and 3 as my family in Pennsylvania can attest. That exchange site is constantly down.

  42. nyp says:

    too bad they don’t live in Nevada. Sandoval did a good job with nevadahealthlink.com

  43. Steve says:

    Hard to argue with Pennsylvania. It’s a beautiful state. They have lived their whole lives there. Not gonna move for a government health insurance exchange system. Its already enough the current insurance is being canceled, contrary to what the president promised.

  44. Steve says:

    http://thisisreno.com/2013/10/hiccups-nevada-health-exchange-prevents-certified-agents-helping-uninsured/

    Really should have listened to those conservatives who were looking to delay the individual mandate for a year. Things are not smooth in the best exchange the country has. Yes its Nevada, for a change number one in something.

    Course with the bar set that low, its easy to step over it.

  45. Athos says:

    So, petey, what are the Nevada numbers to date, if our Governor has done such a good job??

  46. nyp says:

    As of last weekend, 21,884 accounts created by 89,687 unique visitors. 3654 applications in progress.

  47. Steve says:

    Nyp, those numbers are from Nevada, correct?
    If so then I wonder what national numbers are doing.
    If not then they are pretty pathetic.

  48. nyp says:

    the numbers from the state exchanges (California, Nevada, Colorado, KY, etc.) look pretty good. The federal exchanges have been screwed up, so the number of enrolees so far are likely lousy.

  49. Steve says:

    Nyp, if the numbers you posted are from all those states they are pretty pathetic.
    Are they exclusively from Nevada and is your source public? How about posting the link?

  50. Athos says:

    There’s a reason zero has to hire 16,000 more IRS agents, Steve.

    And the IRS is exempt, aren’t they?

  51. Nyp says:

    “16 000 IRS agents”

  52. Steve says:

    Athos and nyp. So happens both of you have some elements of falsehood and rumor in your beliefs about the IRS.

    http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/jul/10/tom-price/price-16000-irs-agents-will-enforce-obama-health-c/

    The IRS was considering appropriations that would have supported hiring 16,000 new employees including agents. The IRS is hiring new employees, though nowhere near 16,000. (yet) And these new hires are due directly to ACA.

  53. Athos says:

    What???? I was factually incorrect???

    OMG!

    Lord, don’t tell me I’m becoming a progressive!!

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