Someone’s having a party at the White House website at Obama’s expense. Since the election, 20 petitions have been submitted calling for 20 states to be allowed to secede from the union.
They all read very similarly, starting: “We petition the Obama administration to: Peacefully grant the State of Arizona … or Louisiana or Texas or Arkansas or Oklahoma … to withdraw from the United States of American and create its own NEW government.” The petitions then quote the Declaration of Independence on how governments are instituted among Men, etc. and it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish them.
Make that 21.
But Nevada’s is worded a bit differently from the others.
The version online is a shortened one due to character limitations. You can read it and sign it here. You will have to create an account, but you only have to give your email and then get an email allowing you to sign this and other petitions. Supposedly, if 25,000 signatures are reached by Dec. 12, the Obama administration will reply.
I just happen to have been provided an unexpurgated version of the full petition, which you may peruse at your leisure:
The State of Nevada hereby petitions that it be granted the lawful right to secede from the United States of America and form its own new government as a free and sovereign nation with dominion over all unappropriated land therein and with no obligations to the current federal government.
Whereas, the State of Nevada was admitted into the union under the presumption and presidential declaration that it would be on equal footing with every other state previously admitted, but was extortionately required to include in its charter that all unappropriated lands within the boundaries of the state be forever placed under the control of the federal government.
Whereas, the voters of the State of Nevada voted in 1996 to amend the State Constitution to remove the Disclaimer Clause that surrendered said unappropriated land, but the Congress and the President have, in violation of the right to petition said federal government for redress of grievances, ignored the will of the people of the State of Nevada.
Therefore, the people of the State of Nevada petition to be allowed to peacefully secede from the United States and form its own government — except for the County of Clark, which could chose to join California or Arizona as its residents may decide — because the original statehood ordinance was fraudulent and agreed to under duress, and is thus null and void.
Therefore, all laws and ordinances by which the State of Nevada became a member of the Union would be repealed and all obligations on the part of the State or the people thereof to observe the same would be withdrawn, and the State shall assume all the rights, functions, and powers that were conveyed to the Government of the United States by the statehood ordinance, and the State would be absolved from all the obligations, restraints, duties and debts accumulated by the Union, and should henceforth be a free, sovereign, and independent State.
Therefore, the people of the State of Nevada may form a union with such of the States as may also secede from the Union.
So sign the petition using each of your emails and have the pleasure of sending a rebellious message to your government. Share the link with fellow rebels via email, Twitter and Facebook, etc. Paint the White House website red.
Geez, Tom. The White House wants first and last names as well as email account. No wonder only 5 people have signed up. What’s the odds that my name goes from Ø’s sight to the IRS hit list?
Why not just wear a government issued yellow star of David patch?
A liberal actually seems to agree with this idea. Sort of.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/12697-chris-hedges-revolt-is-our-only-option
Athos thinks that requiring people to sign petitions to the White House web site is just like the Nazi persecution of the Jews.
HT Steve Sebelius. Actually there are two from the State of Nevada.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-nevada-secede-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/rzJlmTMl?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl
I don’t agree with him most of the time but he finds and writes about some interesting things some of the time.
To the barricades, Athos.
Is no willing to mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor?
You guys have come quite a ways from “America – love it or leave it.”
I never said that, Petey.
I tried to sign up. I know, no I HOPE the Feds have my info, but the butom line is I could NOT sign up!
Sorry, Thomas. I do not believe secession is the answer. The duration, however, is worth signing up for.
The message? Get the non voting conservatives to register and vote. (period)
But if you are serious about this, I say join this one. Over 3000 signatures so far.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-nevada-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/3ff8v0HR
Look at Texas. Wonder how long it takes for the response.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B
Texas will be an interesting study. I’m curious how long it will take for the MSM to report this?
Athos – are you signing the traitor petition?
ABC is pretty main stream.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/texas-petition-secede-reaches-threshold-obama-comment/story?id=17701519#.UKJsLuQ0V8E
Its up to 68,000 so far. I think Obama would do good for himself to address it. If he hides behind the loopholes in the rules he made for the site it could fuel this fire. I agree with Rick Perry, secession is not a good idea.
I think Obama might say something like a move for secession has to come from the state government, the federal government would answer it once it is an official state law. Something to that effect would be pretty good.
The constitution does not provide for secession, so this is up in the air.
This is NOT a traitor petition Nyp. We are not officially at war.
The Hill is reporting on Texas petition:
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/267413-texas-secession-petition-gains-enough-signatures-for-white-house-response
The Daily Caller has a story now:
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/13/petitions-seeking-white-house-approval-to-secede-now-come-from-47-states/
Louisiana is over the threshold now.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-louisiana-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/1wrvtngl
So, Steve & Athos, are you signing the petition to secede now that the election has gone against your wishes?
Nyp does not read the posts. I am not supportive of secession.
This whole thing fills me with disgust. In the early 20th century, this country had a World War followed by a short time of prosperity. Then we were hit with the Great Depression. After 11 years of breadlines, we were called upon to defend Europe and millions of patriotic Americans signed up. I’m sure all those soldiers had misgivings about how the politicians had handled the economy.
Today, we have a recession with an unemployment rate less than half of the Great One, and our war is barely experienced by us civilians, but Conservatives lose a couple of elections and now they want to take their ball and go home.
Buncha damn babies. They don’t believe in Democracy; they believe in winning. If any of them wants a plane ticket out of here, send them to me. I’ll gladly pay to get rid of them.
Maybe that is how Obama should respond to the secession petitions on his website, Rincon. After all it was Obama that had that petition site set up and it was the Administration that made the rules for it too.
Have you looked at the actual White House petition site? It has a bunch more than secession petitions. The one about dope has 37,000 signatures. I wonder if and how Obama will respond to that.
Secession petitions are good PR but bad politics. There is a way for states to legally and politically secede from the American union but it must be a state-by-state process established by constitutional secession conventions in each state. Read: http://thedailybell.com/28286/Ron-Holland-Secession-Petitions-Good-PR-But-Bad-Politics
I’m sure some patriotic Soviets felt the same way before that union fell apart.
Dope petition to the leader of the choom gang?
Actually there are six petitions regarding marijuana on that site. Only one has reached the threshold for response.
Wonder how Obama will handle Colorado and Washington new dope laws.
CH 13 reports the WH will respond to cessation petitions. Any bets on what they will say?
Obama will say: I won, you lost, pound sand.
What he ought to say is that people who entertain such ideas are unpatriotic and hate America and American democracy.
The only thing worse than a sore loser is a bad winner…..Nyp.
Yes. Terrible that anyone would think that people who wish to renounce their U.S. citizenship are unpatriotic.
It is their decision to make, Nyp. Unless you want to be more like the old Soviet Union or even today’s Cuba or North Korea. No one allowed to leave without express permission from the government.
There was a famous story about you guys: “The Man Without a Country.” They made it into a TV movie with Cliff Robertson.
I was right. There is no ability to compromise anymore. Our parents’ generation was made of better stuff. Ours grew up spoiled.
One more thing. Anyone that would think about secession obviously couldn’t care less about the Constitution, so please stop pretending.
You mean you don’t care what the administrations response is going to be? They have stated they will respond to these petitions. Note that site was set up for the constitutional purpose of petitioning the government. You should go read it if you haven’t already.
Read the Declaration of Independence, Rincon. Obviously, my contribution to this endeavor is satire, but the reason is because I care very much about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and the other amendments and how they are being subverted.
And, Steve, the website is a public relations gimmick. Nothing more.
Yep, but I still want to read the response.
An easy PR gimmick but a bit surprising being this website was set up by a bunch of liberals huh?
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/rush-limbaugh-and-armed-forces-radio
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